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New stadium?? (not really) Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:49 pm  

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Hello!

I've been reading the forum for years but this is my first time posting!
As I can imagine is the case with a lot of us, I've been losing my mind from sheer boredom over lockdown. So as a means to combat the mental slog, I had a go at designing a new stadium! Just a "what if?". I've placed it on the location of the Old Birdseye site on Hessle Road and created a 3D render of Hull around it to give it a bit more perspective. It has a capacity of 17,700 and includes both seating and safe-standing areas.

I'm not sure what the rules are for uploading photos from other sites, but I can't get images to show using the URL codes on here for some reasom. I've put a selection of images in this Google Photos folder if anyone does wanna check it out!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/wwb7Hv4GT47afeQx9

Let me know what you think, if you have any suggestions, or if you have a few million lying about!
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Re: New stadium?? (not really) Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:10 pm  

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Very nice. :D
Re: New stadium?? (not really) Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:09 pm  

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Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, is even more realistic.
Re: New stadium?? (not really) Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:56 pm  

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Armavinit wrote:
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, is even more realistic.


Aye, no chance of anything like it happening. Like I said, just a "what if". I know people have speculated about it before and wanted to try and visualise it.
Re: New stadium?? (not really) Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:05 am  
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Nicely done and theoretically a good location - possibly only local location, lovely touch with the New 3d stand 8)

There has to be considerations regards use, a single use stadium alone cannot make enough money with one team playing in it, it has to offer much more, conference/catering/education facilities, possibly even an attached hotel (that can be part of the conference/catering facilities) plus other shops including retail store for the club.

A 4g training ground (including gym) that can be used for academy games with a small stand possibly attached to the main stadium - so changing rooms all located in one area and run out to the training pitch direct from the main stadia.
To accommodate that the car park behind should be removed completely, with no through road to the residential area. There should be a huge discouragement to drive to the stadium excepting for those with a blue badge, encouragement to cycle/walk, use public transport, possibly putting on 'rugby' buses that go from the outer estate areas and back again, was it the no.73 that went from Bransholme - Sutton Park - Orchard Park - West Hull? maybe even possibly a train halt as there is already the rail line that runs back of Arco

Having that many cars come through a residential area is not a good thing and not really acceptable these days, there's enough of an issue with the huge fair ground and the disturbance it causes local residents now never mind localised pollution, alternates to private vehicle travel for games would have to be looked at and should be for where we are now.

If we ever have the chance of a new stadium, I'd be wanting to have 20,000 as a minimum, this means more likely to get internationals and other potential sporting events. I'm also not overly fond of the rectangular box stadium that is like the Halliwell Jones, I know they are cheaper to build than something like our current home but it makes the stadium IMO less appealing and exposes more to the weather for the fans, something similar to the KCom WITHOUT the upper tier in West, maybe variable standing/seating 'rail seats' in the centre of the 'cop' ends?

That's not a criticism of your efforts, they're great, just personal opinion of what I'd like to see if some extremely wealthy backer came in for us.
Small points regards the actual design, it looks like the Hessle road end stand is significantly further back from the pitch than the others and the front concourses could/ maybe be a bit narrower so that the seating is closer to the action. Though I love a nice deep in goal area it looks to be 10 metres, making it a few metres less could bring the fans a bit closer still and still have the run off area which is actually better than we have at the moment.
Also wonder if the stadium would fit with long sides East to West?
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Re: New stadium?? (not really) Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:44 am  

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MediumBloke wrote:
Aye, no chance of anything like it happening. Like I said, just a "what if". I know people have speculated about it before and wanted to try and visualise it.

Throw away, tongue in cheek comment earlier, apologies.
Very impressive presentation. I’d also prefer the North Stand to be closer to the pitch and the corners covered. If it were to happen then the main approach road could lead directly off east bound carriageway of Clive Sullivan Way with a flyover on the railway directly into the car park. Westbound traffic could turn off at Hessle and approach using same access? Obviously egress would enter Clive Sully in and eastbound direction but I’m not sure if there is sufficient land availability to acquire this?
Re: New stadium?? (not really) Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:29 am  

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Nice one, cheers for the feedback! Agreed that if there was to be a complex built on site I'd hope for more than just a stadium and a giant car park. I did include a club shop and a ticket office on the south east corner though it isn't too clear from the pictures (my bad). A new sports complex with maybe a leisure centre would be a brilliant idea for the area and club. Though I don't agree the car park should be removed completely. Definitely scale it down, but we're not getting rid of cars any time soon and people are going to drive. Better to have a designated car park than have all the traffic parking in nearby residential areas.

In regards to traffic pollution and residential areas, the exit onto Handling Way would quickly be dispersed by Summergroves Way, which conveniently runs behind the rest of the residential estate, leading to the Priory Park A63 junction. Alternatively you could potentially extend Henry Boot Way on Priory Park to the south end of the site. Or, build a junction connecting directly onto Clive Sully Way. I did play with the idea of a walkway to a new train station and this junction to the A63 in an earlier design. Unfortunately I'm pretty new to the software and am using a trial version so I was running against the clock a bit.

Capacity size I thought 17-18k would be ideal. If anything too big. Over the years we're lucky to average 12,000 on a good season. Would just feel a bit daft moving from a half empty stadium that's too big for us, to another stadium that's too big for us, just for the off chance we might get an international game once every 2/3 years.

Personally I'm just not a fan of modern stadiums. Places like the KC, Wembley, The Emirates (bit of a leap in capacity, but similar style of stadia). Big modern bowls with no atmosphere. Would much prefer us moving to a proper terraced stadium with standing areas. Only need to go to Cas on an away day to hear what kind of atmosphere being in a terraced box with a few thousand Hull fans can generate. Those are the type of Rugby grounds I fell in love with as a kid. There's been a real purge of proper sporting grounds in this country for a while now, classic old stadia with bags of character replaced with modern bowls. Love the old box grounds. The North stand was designed to be an Away end, so me moving them a little further away was just a stupid little dig haha. You're right though that it would probably be best facing East to West. Can't have the away end being the "Hessle Road End".

Hoping to get the full version of the software soon so I can have a go at expanding on the idea. Not gonna go anywhere, but was a nice way to kill a few days in lockdown.

Cheers again for the feedback!
Re: New stadium?? (not really) Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:41 am  

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Armavinit wrote:
Throw away, tongue in cheek comment earlier, apologies.
Very impressive presentation. I’d also prefer the North Stand to be closer to the pitch and the corners covered. If it were to happen then the main approach road could lead directly off east bound carriageway of Clive Sullivan Way with a flyover on the railway directly into the car park. Westbound traffic could turn off at Hessle and approach using same access? Obviously egress would enter Clive Sully in and eastbound direction but I’m not sure if there is sufficient land availability to acquire this?


No worries at all mate! Its a total fairytale of an idea haha
Re: New stadium?? (not really) Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:14 pm  
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MediumBloke wrote:

In regards to traffic pollution and residential areas, the exit onto Handling Way would quickly be dispersed by Summergroves Way, which conveniently runs behind the rest of the residential estate, leading to the Priory Park A63 junction. Alternatively you could potentially extend Henry Boot Way on Priory Park to the south end of the site. Or, build a junction connecting directly onto Clive Sully Way. I did play with the idea of a walkway to a new train station and this junction to the A63 in an earlier design. Unfortunately I'm pretty new to the software and am using a trial version so I was running against the clock a bit.

Cheers again for the feedback!

I didn't mean all the car parking, just the rear car park which is massive, there's enough space there for a full on training facility, still leaves a significant sized parking area to the East side of the stadium which from my calculation is almost 50% greater than that at St.Helens ground currently.
Having a through road via the residential area to the West would likely be objected to, extending HB Way could be an option but would add on millions though might well end up happening in any case given the development of the green space that has already occurred in that area the last 10-20 years, it would be a better solution and thus no need to have any match day access via Hessle road which would create a huge safety problem.

All a pipe dream and we just have to make do with what we have, nice to dream though, carry on making new modelling, do a Kcom 90 degress to the one you'ce done if possible plus a training pitch at the side :D
Re: New stadium?? (not really) Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:36 pm  

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Why don’t we just use the one that was getting built in Melton seeing as City are still playing at the KCOM. It must surely be finished by now especially seeing those big plans in Allams hands in the HDM be a shame to waste it.......... :CRAZY: :CRAZY:
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Wonder what happened to that idea.

In all seriousness though if we were to find an investor who would build a stadium the old Birds Eye site is probably the only area that’s a viable option.
I really enjoy long walks especially when they are taken by people I don't like!
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