Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:33 am  

I don't know

Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:05 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

problem is that the ref deemed the pitch ok the day before according to Hull fans who met him in town on friday evening but the problem was that the groundsman decided to water the pitch on the saturday morning and the water immediately froze due to the cold wind (wind chill) even though the air temperature was above or around zero - it was 3° when I arrived at 1600hrs but the wind chill factor with the really cold mountain wind turned the water into ice,making the surface unplayable so the ref had no choice !

whoever decided to water the pitch needs to be reprimanded and serious action taken the guilty party cos' it cost a lot of people a lot of money which was all wasted

I would like to know if I can get reimbursed for my travelling and hotel fees by a seemingly incompetant act by an employee of the Catalan club ?

this is disgraceful

disgusted of Tunbridge Wells

Why would you possibly think that Catalans should compensate you for hotel and travel costs?

Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:19 pm  

headhunter wrote:

Why would you possibly think that Catalans should compensate you for hotel and travel costs?

for THEIR complete incompetance !

that was a tongue in cheek remark you know ?

Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:23 pm  

OK, here we go

OK, let's start at the beginning and add a little perspective...

The winds come in Perpignan usually for 2-3 days, they've been here for 3 weeks at least, this has a negative effect on the grass, twofold, 1- it dries out the soil and 2 it "burns" the grass (like the wind attacking your face non-stop for 3 weeks, its not gonna be a pretty sight)

The ground isn't owned by the club, and the club have no say as to who the ground keeper is, they've been trying to get rid of the current guy for 2 years, so have no control as to what happens on the field at all.

Because reparation work has been needed since the last friendly, the club has not trained on the pitch, but at the local university in the hope that the pitch will have had the correct groundworks done to it, these have not been carried out by the ground keeper.

On Friday after the referee arrived in France he attended the stadium to look at the pitch and deemed the game playable.

Now the pitch was 95% playable on Saturday, what has happened is the ground was deemed by the Catalans to be too hard, so the ground keeper watered the pitch on Friday night after the previous pitch inspection by Bentham, because the ground ws hard, the water 'pooled' in certain areas and overnight froze, there was no concern at the time as the ground keeper thought these would melt and disperse as the sun melted them. The main area of concern was a 20 metre square (ish) area under the main stand (Bonzom), this area of the pitch did not get any sunlight so did not melt. Every other area of the pitch was playable.

It was at this time (around lunchtime) that Trent Robinson called Hull to say that he had concerns over the pitch, both coaches and CEO's attended a 2pm pitch inspection with the RFL officials and decided to call the game off. There was talk of taking it to the Aime Giral to play on Sunday morning but their pitch was worse with the ice than Brutus.

It is harsh on the fans that travelled over, but I got to the stadium yesterday at 1:30pm and left at 8:30pm after the club had looked at all options available to them. Yes it is a pain in the backside, but after speaking to the RFL today, it is clear that they feel all three parties were a victim of circumstances.

The ironic thing is that the pitch is probably harder in July and August than it was yesterday, it was just the pooling of the water that froze and didn't defrost that caused the issue. I have sent some pictures of the affected areas to the League Express, you will be able to see that the pitch was too dangerous to play on.

Hope that helps some of you to understand the reasonings as to why the game was called off, and for the record, one of the RFL bylaws states that the game can only be called off in the 24 hours preceeding the kick-off time.

Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:59 pm  

thanks for the explanation mate

Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:54 pm  

Cala Millor Rhino wrote:

OK, here we go

OK, let's start at the beginning and add a little perspective...

The winds come in Perpignan usually for 2-3 days, they've been here for 3 weeks at least, this has a negative effect on the grass, twofold, 1- it dries out the soil and 2 it "burns" the grass (like the wind attacking your face non-stop for 3 weeks, its not gonna be a pretty sight)

The ground isn't owned by the club, and the club have no say as to who the ground keeper is, they've been trying to get rid of the current guy for 2 years, so have no control as to what happens on the field at all.

Because reparation work has been needed since the last friendly, the club has not trained on the pitch, but at the local university in the hope that the pitch will have had the correct groundworks done to it, these have not been carried out by the ground keeper.

On Friday after the referee arrived in France he attended the stadium to look at the pitch and deemed the game playable.

Now the pitch was 95% playable on Saturday, what has happened is the ground was deemed by the Catalans to be too hard, so the ground keeper watered the pitch on Friday night after the previous pitch inspection by Bentham, because the ground ws hard, the water 'pooled' in certain areas and overnight froze, there was no concern at the time as the ground keeper thought these would melt and disperse as the sun melted them. The main area of concern was a 20 metre square (ish) area under the main stand (Bonzom), this area of the pitch did not get any sunlight so did not melt. Every other area of the pitch was playable.

It was at this time (around lunchtime) that Trent Robinson called Hull to say that he had concerns over the pitch, both coaches and CEO's attended a 2pm pitch inspection with the RFL officials and decided to call the game off. There was talk of taking it to the Aime Giral to play on Sunday morning but their pitch was worse with the ice than Brutus.

It is harsh on the fans that travelled over, but I got to the stadium yesterday at 1:30pm and left at 8:30pm after the club had looked at all options available to them. Yes it is a pain in the backside, but after speaking to the RFL today, it is clear that they feel all three parties were a victim of circumstances.

The ironic thing is that the pitch is probably harder in July and August than it was yesterday, it was just the pooling of the water that froze and didn't defrost that caused the issue. I have sent some pictures of the affected areas to the League Express, you will be able to see that the pitch was too dangerous to play on.

Hope that helps some of you to understand the reasonings as to why the game was called off, and for the record, one of the RFL bylaws states that the game can only be called off in the 24 hours preceeding the kick-off time.

Thanks for taking the time to post this explaination CMR

[John_D]

Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:47 am  

It is something of an irony that the only game to be called off in Super League is in the south of France

Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:01 am  

John_D wrote:

It is something of an irony that the only game to be called off in Super League is in the south of France

and for the Dragons's birthday in SL!

Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:05 am  

Cala Millor Rhino wrote: OK, here we go OK, let's start at the beginning and add a little perspective... The winds come in Perpignan usually for 2-3 days, they've been here for 3 weeks at least, this has a negative effect on the grass, twofold, 1- it dries out the soil and 2 it "burns" the grass (like the wind attacking your face non-stop for 3 weeks, its not gonna be a pretty sight) The ground isn't owned by the club, and the club have no say as to who the ground keeper is, they've been trying to get rid of the current guy for 2 years, so have no control as to what happens on the field at all. Because reparation work has been needed since the last friendly, the club has not trained on the pitch, but at the local university in the hope that the pitch will have had the correct groundworks done to it, these have not been carried out by the ground keeper. On Friday after the referee arrived in France he attended the stadium to look at the pitch and deemed the game playable. Now the pitch was 95% playable on Saturday, what has happened is the ground was deemed by the Catalans to be too hard, so the ground keeper watered the pitch on Friday night after the previous pitch inspection by Bentham, because the ground ws hard, the water 'pooled' in certain areas and overnight froze, there was no concern at the time as the ground keeper thought these would melt and disperse as the sun melted them. The main area of concern was a 20 metre square (ish) area under the main stand (Bonzom), this area of the pitch did not get any sunlight so did not melt. Every other area of the pitch was playable. It was at this time (around lunchtime) that Trent Robinson called Hull to say that he had concerns over the pitch, both coaches and CEO's attended a 2pm pitch inspection with the RFL officials and decided to call the game off. There was talk of taking it to the Aime Giral to play on Sunday morning but their pitch was worse with the ice than Brutus. It is harsh on the fans that travelled over, but I got to the stadium yesterday at 1:30pm and left at 8:30pm after the club had looked at all options available to them. Yes it is a pain in the backside, but after speaking to the RFL today, it is clear that they feel all three parties were a victim of circumstances. The ironic thing is that the pitch is probably harder in July and August than it was yesterday, it was just the pooling of the water that froze and didn't defrost that caused the issue. I have sent some pictures of the affected areas to the League Express, you will be able to see that the pitch was too dangerous to play on. Hope that helps some of you to understand the reasonings as to why the game was called off, and for the record, one of the RFL bylaws states that the game can only be called off in the 24 hours preceeding the kick-off time. just a question - according to the l'Independant this morning on http://www.lindependant.fr/2012/02/13/u ... 116732.php and picking out C'est à ce niveau que réside le coeur du problème. Comment imaginer un seul instant, avec les conditions climatiques actuelles, arroser une pelouse la veille et le jour même d'un match ? C'est pourtant ce qui s'est produit ce week-end, du côté de Brutus this says that actually the pitch was watered the day before the game as well as the morning of the game ? this can't be true, can it ? I mean, can anyone be so stupid ? the galling thing is that the LER game at UTCv Montpellier game went ahead without a problem (no watering involved) as well as the game at Limoux v FCL where conditions were cold and sub-zero but still went ahead without the pitch being watered of course. I just hope that the Catalan club will make it up to those Hull fans who wasted their money in some way - it's the least they can do surely ?

Cala Millor Rhino wrote: OK, here we go OK, let's start at the beginning and add a little perspective... The winds come in Perpignan usually for 2-3 days, they've been here for 3 weeks at least, this has a negative effect on the grass, twofold, 1- it dries out the soil and 2 it "burns" the grass (like the wind attacking your face non-stop for 3 weeks, its not gonna be a pretty sight) The ground isn't owned by the club, and the club have no say as to who the ground keeper is, they've been trying to get rid of the current guy for 2 years, so have no control as to what happens on the field at all. Because reparation work has been needed since the last friendly, the club has not trained on the pitch, but at the local university in the hope that the pitch will have had the correct groundworks done to it, these have not been carried out by the ground keeper. On Friday after the referee arrived in France he attended the stadium to look at the pitch and deemed the game playable. Now the pitch was 95% playable on Saturday, what has happened is the ground was deemed by the Catalans to be too hard, so the ground keeper watered the pitch on Friday night after the previous pitch inspection by Bentham, because the ground ws hard, the water 'pooled' in certain areas and overnight froze, there was no concern at the time as the ground keeper thought these would melt and disperse as the sun melted them. The main area of concern was a 20 metre square (ish) area under the main stand (Bonzom), this area of the pitch did not get any sunlight so did not melt. Every other area of the pitch was playable. It was at this time (around lunchtime) that Trent Robinson called Hull to say that he had concerns over the pitch, both coaches and CEO's attended a 2pm pitch inspection with the RFL officials and decided to call the game off. There was talk of taking it to the Aime Giral to play on Sunday morning but their pitch was worse with the ice than Brutus. It is harsh on the fans that travelled over, but I got to the stadium yesterday at 1:30pm and left at 8:30pm after the club had looked at all options available to them. Yes it is a pain in the backside, but after speaking to the RFL today, it is clear that they feel all three parties were a victim of circumstances. The ironic thing is that the pitch is probably harder in July and August than it was yesterday, it was just the pooling of the water that froze and didn't defrost that caused the issue. I have sent some pictures of the affected areas to the League Express, you will be able to see that the pitch was too dangerous to play on. Hope that helps some of you to understand the reasonings as to why the game was called off, and for the record, one of the RFL bylaws states that the game can only be called off in the 24 hours preceeding the kick-off time. just a question - according to the l'Independant this morning on http://www.lindependant.fr/2012/02/13/u ... 116732.php and picking out C'est à ce niveau que réside le coeur du problème. Comment imaginer un seul instant, avec les conditions climatiques actuelles, arroser une pelouse la veille et le jour même d'un match ? C'est pourtant ce qui s'est produit ce week-end, du côté de Brutus this says that actually the pitch was watered the day before the game as well as the morning of the game ? this can't be true, can it ? I mean, can anyone be so stupid ? the galling thing is that the LER game at UTCv Montpellier game went ahead without a problem (no watering involved) as well as the game at Limoux v FCL where conditions were cold and sub-zero but still went ahead without the pitch being watered of course. I just hope that the Catalan club will make it up to those Hull fans who wasted their money in some way - it's the least they can do surely ?

[John_D]

Re: Daunting visit from Hull FC... : Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:30 am  

Where do we fit a re-run in? During the blank weekend for the England v Exilia game?