FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - How the moves & passing game has changed.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain853No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 26 20186 years279th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Dec 22 19:095th Dec 22 19:35LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

How the moves & passing game has changed. : Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:22 pm  
We all watch the modern game & remark on ball handlers in particular from stand off's. Harold Boynton passed on his skills to Dave Topliss in particular from set scrums, winning the ball running single & double scissor running moves which took out tackles & left a different attacker with pace having space created scoring a brilliant try.
Toppo also learned from Neil Fox at the age of 20 being fast and elusive taking passes off Neil from a loose forward which Fox played on his return as player coach, rarely did defenders stop them.
Forwards then played a tight interactive game conjuring up inter-passing between forwards & or a short pass to a half back sending him away, three quarters had to watch & move up quickly when the line was broken to connect with the half backs.Great passing forwards with varying passing skills are not in the game today.
Yes teams & players are fitter now but are robots compared to previous passing skilled forwards. if those previous skilled players were in this era with these current levels of diet & fitness then I leave you to have your own opinions.
I do not de-cry the current game or players, only lament on skills lost !!!
I am and will always be a Trinity supporter, on earth & in heaven, basically where ever i may be - up the Trin !
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach6292
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 24 200717 years188th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
12th Mar 24 02:5928th Feb 24 12:27LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Over there
Signature
EVENTUALLY, WE'LL WIN SOMETHING, ,MAYBE, IF I'M STILL ALIVE THEN

Re: How the moves & passing game has changed. : Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:49 pm  
An inevitable consequence of full-time professionalism.

If you are limited to training a couple of times a week, at night, and back then probably playing as much as training (30 league games a year, plus Yorkshire Cup, Floodlit Trophy, Regal/John Player Trophy, Challenge Cup, and Premiership Trophy), you will always play on instinct, as there is no time to learn moves.

There is a foreword in Don Fox's book where his longtime pal who used to play with him decided that he and Don should learn some moves. They practised three. At the scrum or tackle, he said to Don, "number two". Don paused, and said, "which one is that?". There ended their practised moves.

Yes, very structured, but if you've got time to learn the, you'll use them. I'd like to see more unstructured play as a spectator, but coaches go for the win, not the entertainment.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain1122No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 20 20159 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Jun 19 11:2123rd Jun 19 14:14LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: How the moves & passing game has changed. : Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:03 pm  
Two very different games you highlight, Trin.
In the past the forwards were slower and that allowed more space for the skill and pace of the backs. How I also wish we had the old fashioned ball handling forwards we had then but they don't exist now because the attack progresses in other ways, with emphasis on muscle, power and pace rather than the artistic skills of the past.
The game is what it is now, I'm ok with it but I do wish the scrums were contested because they're a bit of a waste of time as they are.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain853No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 26 20186 years279th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Dec 22 19:095th Dec 22 19:35LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: How the moves & passing game has changed. : Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:42 pm  
Brilliant replies, I always enjoy our forum !!!
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator20106
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 04 200815 years5th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
19th Mar 24 00:4919th Mar 24 07:22LINK
Milestone Posts
20000
25000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
wakefield
Signature
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha
Moderator

Re: How the moves & passing game has changed. : Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:15 pm  
There is no doubt the platers of the past had skills but it was a different game.
Because they weren't as fit and defences weren't as strong, the player on the ball had more time to be skillful and off the cuff. You have to plan now to be fast enough.
Saying that in the old days if they did catch you they could practically hit you with a machete.

The one skill I do notice in modern times is the long pass. Clearly Wally Lewis made that very popular to practise but now the acting halfback can pass 3 or 4 times further than the old days. Maybe summer rugby and no scrums helps passing and fitness too.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4974
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 07 201410 years95th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Mar 24 21:0816th Mar 24 09:56LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: How the moves & passing game has changed. : Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:52 pm  
The 10 metre rule has made the biggest difference to the attacking game, with a 5 metre defence every team HAD to have playmakers who could get through and behind the defensive line. Today with the 10 metre distance, five strong drives can take you to and beyond the half way line where a kick & chase serves to complete the set. This wasn’t possible under the 5 metre rule unless you’re opposition we’re completely overmatched.

The game doesn’t demand that today’s players are as skilful as back then, fitter and stronger yes but not as skilled. Each team & club had a number of skilled playmakers like Murphy, Poynton, Holmes, Nash, Myler, Hardisty, Millward, Woods, Gregory, Adams, Pinner, Arkwright, Bowden etc. There isn’t a single player in today’s game with comparable skills to Steve Norton, as I said before, the game no longer demands it so it dòesnt now develop it!
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman35904
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 13 200419 years14th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Mar 24 20:159th Mar 24 16:02LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Poodle Power!
Signature
SUPPORT SWAG...

Re: How the moves & passing game has changed. : Wed Nov 14, 2018 12:47 am  
It’s a good debate but in the end it’s pointless (but fun). It’s just impossible to know really, today’s players are so much stronger and faster and the rules so different it’s like two different sports. Would the players of yesteryear even have the time and space to demonstrate their skills and instinct? That’s the question that can’t be answered I’m afraid.
RankPostsTeam
International Star56No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 25 201113 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Jan 20 07:4514th Nov 18 19:22LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: How the moves & passing game has changed. : Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:22 pm  
excellent topic. can,t help but think,most of the forwards in the 60,s would have been sent off in the first 20 minuits,lol
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman35904
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 13 200419 years14th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
18th Mar 24 20:159th Mar 24 16:02LINK
Milestone Posts
30000
40000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Poodle Power!
Signature
SUPPORT SWAG...

Re: How the moves & passing game has changed. : Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:54 pm  
trinity1 wrote:
excellent topic. can,t help but think,most of the forwards in the 60,s would have been sent off in the first 20 minuits,lol


Or collapsed in a heap :D
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain853No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 26 20186 years279th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Dec 22 19:095th Dec 22 19:35LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: How the moves & passing game has changed. : Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:17 pm  
Hi guys, some details to take on board, the four tackle rule came in before the six tackle rule in December 1966. There was no hand over if you were caught on the fourth tackle, it was a scrum down. However, provided you kicked the ball & it bounced before it went into touch you/your team got the put-in & open side head - advantage to the scrum half, only the hooker could strike when the ball hit the floor ? Scrums were contested by push weight & holding the opposition. The ball had to come out behind the 2nd row. The hooker had to put the ball in straight & with no upward motion ! Naturally scrums could be a lottery & some refs were poor at controlling the whole scrum rules giving penalties regularly ! Props & hookers + 2nd rowers got caught with "feet-up" this giving away a penalty, continued offending resulted in being sent off, which did not always happen.
Take note that wakefield became double champions under the four tackle rule Don Fox being the master kicker to touch line kicking torpedo screw kicks just above the players height & the ball rolling into touch nearly always beating the winger & able to roll the ball into/before the corner flag, scrum to wakefield, further four tackles. Scrum position always square to at point of entry & 10yards in. So if the ball went into touch 1yard from the try line then the scrum tunnel was 1yard from the line not as currently ! Emphasis was on attacking play.a
This the game had speeded up considerably and remember each side was only 5yards from a play the ball point, 10 yards apart. Only two substitutes per side per game.
They were part time players but rarely did the main teams/players & special players have heavy full jobs other than players working in the pit's
I still think that a human being then brought into current day diets, full time training would be every bit as fit as the current players.
The Australians were the first to start the six tackle rule as their game then being so sterio type could not create attacking play. RFL here adopted six tackle rule in 1972 ! Ball being handed over to opposition if caught with the ball, no scrum. At first there was alot of aimless kicking & panic kicking. Thus the game you see now has been tweaked & teams + tacticians all play the same way same tactics, awaiting mistakes.
However I still get a thrill when players like our Tom scores spectacular tries.
Up the Trin.
Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: alegend, Dannyboywt1, Kirmudgeonlyisback, The Phantom Horseman, Wakefield City, Wildthing, Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo and 426 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Wakefield Trinity


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
Irregular Ho
179
8m
State of the Nation
K-Diddy
156
12m
Dons v York Sunday 17th March 2024 3pm
Double Movem
41
18m
Shopping list for 2025
mwindass
288
24m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
55527
26m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
33870
37m
Challenge Cup 6th Round
Faxlore
30
41m
Bulls game
REDWHITEANDB
138
42m
RD 5 St Helens H
Backwoodsman
282
49m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
1365
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
21s
Ky Rodwell
Khlav Kalash
58
23s
Todays match v London
rubber ducki
61
28s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
33870
28s
Salford away
Mark_P1973
64
31s
Dons v York Sunday 17th March 2024 3pm
Double Movem
41
32s
Bulls game
REDWHITEANDB
138
35s
21 Man Squads v Hull Fc
Vancouver Le
12
38s
Injuries
Listenup94
37
47s
State of the Nation
K-Diddy
156
54s
DoR Director of Rugby
rubber ducki
38
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Programmes for sale
Brian Middle
1
TODAY
Aussie programmes and books for sale
Brian Middle
1
TODAY
Widnes programmes for sale
Brian Middle
1
TODAY
Mark Campbell to step down at Fev
RoyBoy29
1
TODAY
RL Podcasts
RL Outsiders
1
TODAY
Oliver Holmes
LeythIg
4
TODAY
New Poster
BarnsleyTrin
9
TODAY
Easy Win for the Wolves Over London Moves Them Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Todays match v London
rubber ducki
61
TODAY
Charlie Birdsall RIP
hull2524
12
TODAY
Total rl
Bullseye
4
TODAY
Giants in the Cup - can we get Up for the Cup
Tarquin Fueg
73
TODAY
Sheffield
moto748
3
TODAY
Road Roller Required to flatten & Press
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Dragons Condemn Castleford To Another Loss
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Dreadful - Watsons future
Murphy
14
TODAY
Smith - should he stay or should he go
Irregular Ho
179
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Secure First Points Of The Season In Style
Budgiezilla
2
TODAY
Hull FC
PopTart
13
TODAY
Oliver Russell
Wollo-Wollo-
5
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
270
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
353
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
455
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
474
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
575
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
644
2024 Challenge Cup Sixth Round..
3382
Featherstone Win Extra Time Cu..
854
Dragons Triumph Over Hull FC t..
751
Leeds Rhinos Win Game of Two H..
965
Warrington Beat Hull KR In Bre..
870
Hull FC Win At The Death To Cr..
1163
Salford Red Devils Spoil Hull ..
967
Leeds Rhinos Battle Hard for D..
1132
Warriors Maintain Great Start ..
1138
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.56M 3,215 79,99614,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Fri 29th Mar
Championship 2024-R2
18:00
Featherstone
v
Wakefield
 Sun 12th May 2024
1895 Cup 2024-R5
15:00
Bradford
v
Wakefield
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 22nd Mar
CC2024
20:00
Leeds-St.Helens
Sat 23rd Mar
CC2024
14:00
Leigh-Featherstone
Thu 28th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Leeds
Fri 29th Mar
SL
12:30
Hull KR-Hull FC
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Wigan
Sat 30th Mar
SL
15:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
17:30
Salford-Leigh
Sun 31st Mar
SL
15:00
LondonB-Huddersfield
Thu 4th Apr
SL
20:00
Leigh-Wigan
Fri 5th Apr
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
Hull KR-LondonB
SL
20:00
Leeds-Warrington
Sat 6th Apr
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Huddersfield
SL
17:30
Catalans-St.Helens
Fri 19th Apr
SL
20:00
Leeds-Huddersfield
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Wigan-Castleford
Sat 20th Apr
SL
15:00
Warrington-Leigh
SL
17:30
Catalans-Hull KR
Sun 21st Apr
SL
15:00
LondonB-Salford
Sun 17th Mar
SL 5 LondonB4-58Warrington
WOMCC2024 1 Shef W10-76York V
WOMCC2024 1 Sal W0-68WiganW
WOMCC2024 1 Lei L W4-52LeedsW
CH 1 Batley20-24Featherstone
CH 1 Dewsbury10-24Halifax
CH 1 Doncaster36-20York
CH 1 Whitehaven18-16Swinton
CH 1 Widnes44-8Barrow
NRL 2 Manly21-14Sydney
NRL 2 Dolphins38-0St.George
Sat 16th Mar
SL 5 Huddersfield12-24Hull KR
SL 5 Hull FC4-54Leigh
SL 5 Catalans40-14Castleford
WOMCC2024 1 Card Wom22-16BarrowW
WOMCC2024 1 BradfordW4-52Wire W
WOMCC2024 1 St.HelensW64-0LonB W
WOMCC2024 1 Hudds W74-0HKR Wom
NRL 2 Canberra32-12Wests
NRL 2 NQL Cowboys21-20Newcastle
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Warrington 5 156 58 98 8
Wigan 4 144 54 90 8
St.Helens 5 118 40 78 8
Catalans 5 126 54 72 8
Hull KR 5 98 63 35 6
Leeds 5 82 82 0 6
 
Salford 5 95 96 -1 6
Huddersfield 5 94 98 -4 4
Leigh 4 82 54 28 2
Hull FC 5 54 162 -108 2
Castleford 5 56 178 -122 0
LondonB 5 54 220 -166 0
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Widnes 1 44 8 36 2
Wakefield 1 42 12 30 2
Doncaster 1 36 20 16 2
Halifax 1 24 10 14 2
Featherstone 1 24 20 4 2
Sheffield 1 24 22 2 2
 
Whitehaven 1 18 16 2 2
Toulouse 1 22 24 -2 0
Swinton 1 16 18 -2 0
Batley 1 20 24 -4 0
Dewsbury 1 10 24 -14 0
York 1 20 36 -16 0
Bradford 1 12 42 -30 0
Barrow 1 8 44 -36 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
Irregular Ho
179
8m
State of the Nation
K-Diddy
156
12m
Dons v York Sunday 17th March 2024 3pm
Double Movem
41
18m
Shopping list for 2025
mwindass
288
24m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
55527
26m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
33870
37m
Challenge Cup 6th Round
Faxlore
30
41m
Bulls game
REDWHITEANDB
138
42m
RD 5 St Helens H
Backwoodsman
282
49m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
1365
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
21s
Ky Rodwell
Khlav Kalash
58
23s
Todays match v London
rubber ducki
61
28s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
33870
28s
Salford away
Mark_P1973
64
31s
Dons v York Sunday 17th March 2024 3pm
Double Movem
41
32s
Bulls game
REDWHITEANDB
138
35s
21 Man Squads v Hull Fc
Vancouver Le
12
38s
Injuries
Listenup94
37
47s
State of the Nation
K-Diddy
156
54s
DoR Director of Rugby
rubber ducki
38
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Programmes for sale
Brian Middle
1
TODAY
Aussie programmes and books for sale
Brian Middle
1
TODAY
Widnes programmes for sale
Brian Middle
1
TODAY
Mark Campbell to step down at Fev
RoyBoy29
1
TODAY
RL Podcasts
RL Outsiders
1
TODAY
Oliver Holmes
LeythIg
4
TODAY
New Poster
BarnsleyTrin
9
TODAY
Easy Win for the Wolves Over London Moves Them Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Todays match v London
rubber ducki
61
TODAY
Charlie Birdsall RIP
hull2524
12
TODAY
Total rl
Bullseye
4
TODAY
Giants in the Cup - can we get Up for the Cup
Tarquin Fueg
73
TODAY
Sheffield
moto748
3
TODAY
Road Roller Required to flatten & Press
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Dragons Condemn Castleford To Another Loss
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Dreadful - Watsons future
Murphy
14
TODAY
Smith - should he stay or should he go
Irregular Ho
179
TODAY
Leigh Leopards Secure First Points Of The Season In Style
Budgiezilla
2
TODAY
Hull FC
PopTart
13
TODAY
Oliver Russell
Wollo-Wollo-
5
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
270
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
353
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
455
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
474
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
575
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
644
2024 Challenge Cup Sixth Round..
3382
Featherstone Win Extra Time Cu..
854
Dragons Triumph Over Hull FC t..
751
Leeds Rhinos Win Game of Two H..
965
Warrington Beat Hull KR In Bre..
870
Hull FC Win At The Death To Cr..
1163
Salford Red Devils Spoil Hull ..
967
Leeds Rhinos Battle Hard for D..
1132
Warriors Maintain Great Start ..
1138


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!