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Posted by vastman on Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:13 pm
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Interesting bit of feedback I’ve received this week from a mate of a mate who’s involved in stadium planning and construction.

I know it’s a few month late but he’s had a look at the 88m plans. Now this is only speculative because he doesn’t have all the info so it’s an educated guess work. He made three points that for me show it up for the sham it always was. Can’t prove it but hey. The third one is especially interesting and I don’t think any of us spotted it.

1: Access would struggle big style to get past Health and Safety - as we nearly all thought.

2: Inadequate car parking is an issue, especially to the Highways people. They won’t like the extra bars and lounges as those sort of punter tend not to walk to games.

....and the one that really got me.

The guy reckons that on that plans footprint with all the latest guidelines for barriers, fire escapes, entrances, seat tread depth etc that ground on those plans he estimates could hold no more than 6,000 spectators.

This makes it totally useless as a SL venue and no use to us at all - but then it was never meant to be was it. :twisted:
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Posted by alleycat on Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:12 pm
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A good post Vasty; I initially thought along those lines when they published the plan, but chose to believe that maybe things could work out as they said, rose tinted glasses and all that.
Posted by Prince Buster on Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:17 pm
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I was also extremely sceptical when I saw the plans, and I will add a 4th which your mate could try and help with.

Disability access !
If you read up on that, there must me a minimum number of disability parking spaces per 1000 spectators .
There are also maximum distances between ground entrance and these spaces which I believe is around 50 meteres.
You can get around this by having parking elsewhere and then shuttle service with pull in lay bys etc, all further complicated stuff if you read up on it.

Further to that, if this is classed as a new stadium then normal parking must also be provided in a certain ratio per 1000 spectators . I think its around 50 minimum so a 6000 stadium would require a further300 spaces. (These figures are not accurate but only from memory but a good stadium anorak could find them)

The only possible way around it from what I can see, is classing this as an upgrade to an existing stadium and not a new development.

But I am with you, its all a con , even it if it does happen it will be nothing more than a cheap facelift and way below normal modern stadia standards
Posted by wrencat1873 on Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:26 pm
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THere lookes a hell of a lot crammed into a small space.
However, wasnt it just an artists impression, rather than a detailed plan or, did I miss something ?
Posted by Shifty Cat on Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:47 pm
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wrencat1873 wrote:
THere lookes a hell of a lot crammed into a small space.
However, wasnt it just an artists impression, rather than a detailed plan or, did I miss something ?

Artists impressions I think, but like you say for space, especially on the Superbowl site they crammed a lot in and in turn boxed the ground in even more, making it look a bit cartoony.

When the images were released I just hoped that for once things were above board and any doubts I had, that had been brought up on here were down to our years of getting nowhere. Also, the fact MC seemed quite positive about it probably swayed quite a few people
Posted by vastman on Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:09 pm
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Artists impressions I think, but like you say for space, especially on the Superbowl site they crammed a lot in and in turn boxed the ground in even more, making it look a bit cartoony.

When the images were released I just hoped that for once things were above board and any doubts I had, that had been brought up on here were down to our years of getting nowhere. Also, the fact MC seemed quite positive about it probably swayed quite a few people


He was ambushed. At that moment what else could he say. Can you imagine the flak he and the club would have received. I suspect he needed to look positive at first or appear the ultimate party pooper.
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Vasty

I was also extremely sceptical when I saw the plans, and I will add a 4th which your mate could try and help with.

Disability access !
If you read up on that, there must me a minimum number of disability parking spaces per 1000 spectators .
There are also maximum distances between ground entrance and these spaces which I believe is around 50 meteres.
You can get around this by having parking elsewhere and then shuttle service with pull in lay bys etc, all further complicated stuff if you read up on it.

Further to that, if this is classed as a new stadium then normal parking must also be provided in a certain ratio per 1000 spectators . I think its around 50 minimum so a 6000 stadium would require a further300 spaces. (These figures are not accurate but only from memory but a good stadium anorak could find them)

The only possible way around it from what I can see, is classing this as an upgrade to an existing stadium and not a new development.

But I am with you, its all a con , even it if it does happen it will be nothing more than a cheap facelift and way below normal modern stadia standards


I think the disabled stuff was all a part of the 'access' issues. To him I suspect it's not a separate issue. But yes you are dead right.

Won't matter if it's a cheap facelift or the real thing the fact that an 'expert' believes it will only hold 6,000 people makes it useless - deliberately useless imho.
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Posted by Wildmoggy on Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:27 pm
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Sadly I too was very sceptical like a lot of others. I said at the time it seemed too obvious a solution, if it was that viable, why hadn't it been done before? Land is probably a more precious commodity than money where stadia is concerned, so re-developing Belle Vue was a no brainer where that is concerned, all very depressing and predictable sadly. I've said it before, and i'll say it again, we are now in 2017 and we shouldn't be in this position, previous chairmen and council leaders etc, etc, should be hanging their heads in shame......
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vastman wrote:
Interesting bit of feedback I’ve received this week from a mate of a mate who’s involved in stadium planning and construction.

I know it’s a few month late but he’s had a look at the 88m plans. Now this is only speculative because he doesn’t have all the info so it’s an educated guess work. He made three points that for me show it up for the sham it always was. Can’t prove it but hey. The third one is especially interesting and I don’t think any of us spotted it.

1: Access would struggle big style to get past Health and Safety - as we nearly all thought.

2: Inadequate car parking is an issue, especially to the Highways people. They won’t like the extra bars and lounges as those sort of punter tend not to walk to games.

....and the one that really got me.

The guy reckons that on that plans footprint with all the latest guidelines for barriers, fire escapes, entrances, seat tread depth etc that ground on those plans he estimates could hold no more than 6,000 spectators.

This makes it totally useless as a SL venue and no use to us at all - but then it was never meant to be was it. :twisted:


As I sated on an associated thread sometime ago, those stadium images could have been adapted from a proposed stadium in any country anywhere and subsequently "photoshopped" to suit the situation. I was very cynical then and am even more so now. New Belle Vue Stadium my foot!!!!! It proves how phoney the photographs were - They even made Agbrigg look attractive
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vastman wrote:
He was ambushed. At that moment what else could he say. Can you imagine the flak he and the club would have received. I suspect he needed to look positive at first or appear the ultimate party pooper.

He probably was but I bet like some of us there was a glint of hope at the time of finally getting something sorted.
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