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Post Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:47 am
Posted by The Watcher on Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:47 am
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The Watcher read with some interest & some trepidation that Bailey has escaped a ban after refusing to take a drugs test because he believed the water being offered to him by an anti doping official may have been contaminated. You couldn't make it up could you?
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Post Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:25 am
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The Watcher should say which Bailey he is referring to ?? So that we know !
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Post Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:49 am
Posted by davo1979 on Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:49 am
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Clearly Toronto have a better sports lawyer than we have :shock:

But, fancy another player coached by MR Morals involved in a drug scandal eh? :THINK:
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Post Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:04 am
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Surely the RFL don't want to upset the Toronto enterprise do they? :wink:
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Post Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:48 pm
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Post Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:55 am
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If I was Mr Beaumont, I'd be wondering what Toronto's lawyers had, that his don't
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Post Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:09 pm
Posted by Mr Dog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:09 pm
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The Watcher wrote:
The Watcher read with some interest & some trepidation that Bailey has escaped a ban after refusing to take a drugs test because he believed the water being offered to him by an anti doping official may have been contaminated. You couldn't make it up could you?


Except you have just made it up! The procedural failures highlighted in his defence were ruled as not being adequate to dismiss the case by the panel.

The independent tribunal actually found that the anti-doping charge against him was 'established' ie he was 'guilty' of failing or refusing to provide a sample. There was no punishment because he was found to be of no fault or negligence due to 'truly exceptional circumstances'. Those actual circumstances are not disclosed but the text of the judgement implies that they are based on the evidence (virtually all of which has been redacted) of 2 psychiatrists.

I suggest you actually read the judgement not some lazy journalist's report. https://www.ukad.org.uk/assets/uploads/ ... Bailey.PDF
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Post Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:20 pm
Posted by The Watcher on Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:20 pm
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The Watcher suggests that Mr Dog reads his own link. Bailey refuses to give a sample because he believes the water bottles being offered to him could have been contaminated.
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Post Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:45 pm
Posted by Mr Dog on Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:45 pm
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The Watcher wrote:
The Watcher suggests that Mr Dog reads his own link. Bailey refuses to give a sample because he believes the water bottles being offered to him could have been contaminated.


I'd suggest The Watcher goes back and reads it again, but just for you a few of the pertinent points that show your conclusion to be somewhat adrift from reality:

Point 40 dismisses any justification for refusing to take the test on the basis that the bottles may have been tampered with:

"There was no valid reason for Mr Bailey to have not taken the test. Any concern of Mr Bailey over the water could have been catered for by doing as Mr Taylor in fact suggested, that is by making a written record of his concerns, and even retaining one of the bottles for subsequent analysis if necessary."

Point 47 rules out a dismissal of the case based on the procedural irregularities highlighted by his defence.

The conclusion clearly states that
"the anti-doping violation is established" ie the panel found him 'guilty' of the charge of failing or refusing to provide a sample he was facing. However, they also found that he bore 'no fault or negligence' due to the "truly exceptional circumstances of his case" and therefore he received no punishment. Those circumstances are not specified but appear to be medical reasons based on the evidence of 2 psychiatrists, virtually all of which is redacted in the published judgement - I will not speculate on that evidence but if you do read the judgement some of the phrases used may lead you to form an opinion on what those circumstances may be.
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Post Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:25 pm
Posted by Mookachaka on Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:25 pm
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What are the truly exceptional circumstances? Sounds like absolute nonsense, no one should be above the law.

I don’t understand why someone can’t pee in a bottle?
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