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Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:37 pm
Posted by Oxford Exile on Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:37 pm
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So says Jezza Guscott:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/ ... _129622878

he's right of course...we all know it. Its such as shame our game doesn't get the credit it deserves from its attitude towards innovation.
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Re: "We can learn from Rugby League"
Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:41 pm
Posted by PrinterThe on Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:41 pm
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"With the video referee in rugby league, decisions happen really quickly. They've got it spot on and they rarely make mistakes. It's very fluid and rugby union should be learning from it.

In rugby league it's a very slick operation"

Wouldn't really agree with that.
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Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:44 pm
Posted by homme vaste on Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:44 pm
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Oxford Exile wrote:
So says Jezza Guscott:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/ ... _129622878

he's right of course...we all know it. Its such as shame our game doesn't get the credit it deserves from its attitude towards innovation.


As frustrating as it can sometimes seem with the Video referee over analyzing the try/no try decision, at least 99 percent of the time we get it right through that method. I think we do quite well as a sport in this department and RU could definitely take a leaf out of our book.
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Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:46 pm
Posted by bramleyrhino on Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:46 pm
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PrinterThe wrote:
"With the video referee in rugby league, decisions happen really quickly. They've got it spot on and they rarely make mistakes. It's very fluid and rugby union should be learning from it.

In rugby league it's a very slick operation"

Wouldn't really agree with that.


If he's talking about the NRL's "Bunker" model, then I'd agree with Guscott. If he's talking about the Super League model, then I don't agree.

Guscott doesn't actually say much about the parts of RL's video referee model he likes. He just says "it's quick and we get it right" - and that's a very broad generalisation to make.
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Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:48 pm
Posted by homme vaste on Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:48 pm
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PrinterThe wrote:
"With the video referee in rugby league, decisions happen really quickly. They've got it spot on and they rarely make mistakes. It's very fluid and rugby union should be learning from it.

In rugby league it's a very slick operation"

Wouldn't really agree with that.


I had a giggle to myself at the "really quickly" part, as most of the time it is anything but, but i tend to agree with the rest of that statement.

They could make the system a whole lot more efficient though by giving the video ref full control of the decision rather than having to be 100% certain to turn over an on field decision, that for me is a little silly.
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Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:55 pm
Posted by Grimmy on Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:55 pm
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I'm perhaps in the minority then, in that I think the video ref can make tries anti-climatic, and negatively impact the atmosphere at games. I'd reduce its use to a coaches' challenge system. Coaches can have 2 challenges each, which can only be used at stoppages. Let them keep challenging if they are shown to be correct. This would also hopefully reduce the amount of criticism they throw at refs, as the simple retort would be "Well why didn't you challenge it at the time?". Of course there is the chance that they could keep challenging correctly, thus undermining the on field ref, but that would probably deserve scrutiny, if it happened. I'd also extend use of video ref to include serious foul play (i.e red card offences only). We don't want players staying on the pitch, then getting long bans afterwards.

Other than that, leave it with the on-field team. Having a better atmosphere/product is more important than the odd difficult call the match officials may get wrong IMO, and we would do better to focus more on the action, and less on the refs.
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Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:15 pm
Posted by Bullseye on Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:15 pm
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Personally I’ve gone off the whole thing. I think there are so many decisions where it’s unclear that the video ref doesn’t offer any added value at all and their decisions are just as contentious as if the on field ref gave a call.

In SL decisions can take an age and it detracts from the game. I’d sooner go back to the on field ref making the call and that’s it. They’ll get some decisions wrong but they even out in time. The video ref for me isn’t eradicating poor decisions and is often a source of them itself and becoming a talking point which is the opposite of what it’s there for.

If we are stuck with it then it should be the same at all matches at SL level. Inconsistency of approach isn’t healthy.

It’s not clear if Guscott is referring to SL or NRL. The NRL bunker is much quicker which is good. Maybe they make fewer contentious decisions too? I don’t know as I don’t watch that much NRL. If he’s referring to the NRL then fine but I suspect he isn’t.
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Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:38 pm
Posted by alleycat on Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:38 pm
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Grimmy wrote:
I'd reduce its use to a coaches' challenge system. Coaches can have 2 challenges each, which can only be used at stoppages. Let them keep challenging if they are shown to be correct. This would also hopefully reduce the amount of criticism they throw at refs, as the simple retort would be "Well why didn't you challenge it at the time?". Of course there is the chance that they could keep challenging correctly, thus undermining the on field ref, but that would probably deserve scrutiny, if it happened. I'd also extend use of video ref to include serious foul play (i.e red card offences only). We don't want players staying on the pitch, then getting long bans afterwards.

Other than that, leave it with the on-field team. Having a better atmosphere/product is more important than the odd difficult call the match officials may get wrong IMO, and we would do better to focus more on the action, and less on the refs.


There is some merit in your ideas, I particularly like the coaches challenge thing; it seems to work in tennis.
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Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:10 pm
Posted by SRV on Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:10 pm
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My problem with a challenge system is it could be even more anti-climatic. If a team scores a late try and the opposition has a challenge left, they would just use it speculatively and hope something is wrong, and that would take some of the excitement of a late, winning try away.
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Post Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:11 pm
Posted by HXSparky on Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:11 pm
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I think it works well as it is. If the ref is sure, then he awards a try. If he has any doubt then he can go to the VR. By making the match ref make an on-field decision, this means that the VR has a default position if the decision is unclear. The one thing I'd change is to restrict the VR to the number of replays he can view. After viewing the play from every camera available, give him one more look from one camera, and if he still can't make a decision then go with the original match official decision.
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