French Rugby League : Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:41 pm  

1 CC win, 1 GF appearance and 1 team 80 mins away from Super League.

Is it not in the interests of Super League and arguably the wider RL governing bodies, including NRL to invest and support the game in France? If we get another 2 clubs in that region it could be alot more worthwhile expansion than Wales, Canada or London.

I understand what happened to PSG, but recent years indicate there's potential to grow.

Re: French Rugby League : Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:21 am  

Absolutely, it expands our game and helps with the survival of the sport.
Awesome to see how the have progressed, And now with Toulouse coming in it's great to see.
Will be great to see the first super league french derby, which will 100% be on Sky

Re: French Rugby League : Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:46 pm  

It sounds good that we have 2 x French teams however....how many French players are there across both clubs? I bet they couldnt make a combined 17 of French players.

Toulouse had Mathieu Jussaume, Tony Gigot, Justin Sangare, Eloi Pelissier & Remy Casti. 3 of them are ex Catalan. So 5 x French players and one of them has now retired.
Catalan had Fouad Yaha, Julian Busquet, Benjamin Garcia, Artur Morgue & Mickael Goudemand, again 5 French players.

So there will 9 French players with Casty retiring. Yes there will be reserves who are French however Toulouse are going to go out and recruit other nationalities to make them stronger possibly knocking the number of French players lower. The positive was the crowd that was there. Hopefully it will drum up interest and it was good to hear the joined up thinking of Toulouse RL & RU however if you are a quality player you are going to down the RU route especially with the French RU salary cap plus the standing of the international game in comparison.

Im not sure its as positive as it seems

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Re: French Rugby League : Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:26 pm  

For quite a few games this year De Costa stood in for Mcilllorum. You also have Baitieri, Julien and they had a young winger who was scoring for fun at the start of the year (forgot his name) Alex Chan's son scored against Hull Kr as well.
I am hopeful that in a couple of years time that there might be a national team that could give England a decent game to make a regular mid season International test credible.
I know Fev would have brought 2500 to the HJ with a increase in revenue of about £60-70k per game when you factor in ticket and booze sales but an increase in sponsorship and TV revenue could have the potential to dwarf that figure.
I dont know how the TV deal is structured for French broadcasting at the moment but surely the Tolouse v Catalan Derby twice a year is worth a lot more to French broadcasters and French businesses wanting to sponsor them.
Hopefully somebody that knows a lot more about the economics of sport can enlighten us.

Re: French Rugby League : Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:41 pm  

Couldnt the fact we have two french teams hinder sponsorship? There was the issue where we had Magners as a sponsor and the sponsorship had to be covered due to French advertising laws.

If you are looking to do sponsorship and your logo is covered for some games due to these restrictions. What about say a mecca bingo, i presume they have no presence in France. Paying for sponsorship for potential clients and the target audience has no chance to use the brand. Just a thought, i have no idea how commerical activities work and sponsorship. It may help Bet Fred, potentially expanding into another country getting them brand recognition over in France?

Re: French Rugby League : Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:41 pm  

On a national/international level ,RU has a conveyor belt fetching homegrown players through its systems to produce good national teams. In RL ,everything is geared to a few clubs trying to win a domestic league & bringing in what imports they can to try & win that league, How can RL hope to compete at international standards with RU when it doesn't provide enough home schooled players to raise standards ? Get away from England RL & the other 3 home nations are relying on lower division players.
I remember France having a decent RL team but they don't seem as effective these days, in times of injecting imports into Catalans & Toulouse to climb up their respective leagues.

Re: French Rugby League : Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:10 pm  

ComeOnYouWolves wrote:

Couldnt the fact we have two french teams hinder sponsorship? There was the issue where we had Magners as a sponsor and the sponsorship had to be covered due to French advertising laws.

If you are looking to do sponsorship and your logo is covered for some games due to these restrictions. What about say a mecca bingo, i presume they have no presence in France. Paying for sponsorship for potential clients and the target audience has no chance to use the brand. Just a thought, i have no idea how commerical activities work and sponsorship. It may help Bet Fred, potentially expanding into another country getting them brand recognition over in France?

There are issues for Alcohol & Gambling companies advertising in France I think, but it is SL / RFL's job to attract partners who would find this attractive. I guess Hoover would find it beneficial to have some exposure to France's 4th biggest city as would many other brands. Why can't we get airlines / hotel chains on board?

Re: French Rugby League : Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:53 pm  

I'm delighted that Toulouse have won promotion and it feels like a step forward, however we need to be careful how we develop this.

I think talks of 3 or 4 French teams in SL are a non starter until they can deliver a TV deal, currently Catalan pay for their games to be televised, we need a deal that brings in at least £2m per year for both Catalan & Toulouse, that way they are 'paying their way'. Its the only way an increased French presence in SL can work. We need to be developing relationships with the French TV companies and talking to them about what 2 / 3 / 4 teams in the SL structure looks like in terms of investment. To get a TV deal like that I would assume a French TV partner would want some sort of assurances that French teams will remain in the upper leagues, so maybe its a point when SL will again look towards a closed shop in terms of relegation for either an expanded SL of 14, or a SL1/SL2 scenario. I'm sure there will be a minimum number of English clubs Sky would want in the competition before it starts to harm the Sky Contract.

Someone touched on youth development and opportunities for French players, I'm not going to use it as a stick to beat them with as they are in a competition that will relegate them if they don't get their squad right. I think we have more French players in SL/ Championship now than we ever have, but I'd agree its still not enough (Although how many Warringtonians are knocking around SL?) So we need to look at the bigger picture in terms of French players in the comp, rather than at these sides specifically - but its certainly an area to work on.

Re: French Rugby League : Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:46 pm  

What happens if a Catalan v Toulouse Grand Final comes about.

Re: French Rugby League : Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:12 pm  

RogerMoore wrote:

What happens if a Catalan v Toulouse Grand Final comes about.

Then we will have a Grand Final played out in front of one man and his dog.

Imagine how progressive that will look to your neutral onlookers looking to possibly invest in the game?