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Re: Makes no sense to me : Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:11 pm  
no one coming in for them ...tells you something about them!!!...as for dont get on with grima...ask tony r waht he thought of them!!!
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Re: Makes no sense to me : Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:38 pm  
the rugbyman wrote:
no one coming in for them ...tells you something about them!!!...as for dont get on with grima...ask tony r waht he thought of them!!!

I don't have Tony's number to hand. Care to enlighten us all?
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Re: Makes no sense to me : Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:46 pm  
Dont think i should really...lets just say
he can be a bit of a handful
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Re: Makes no sense to me : Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:02 pm  
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I think that this shows that (a) no coaches at the top of British rugby league have read Moneyball and (b) these lads don't have (much of) an agent.

I will be fuming if these lads are lost to the game.


Lots of people have read Moneyball but very few seem to have understood it. TBF though, RL just does not have the kind of statistical analysis that baseball and american football have, which is the starting point for building a squad using advanced analytics, meaning that no-one has yet established what the KPIs are and how they influence the game. That's partly because RL is a small sport with few resources for this kind of study, but then even the National Hockey League hasn't really nailed down what it's looking for and it has both much greater resources and a history of using detailed statistics. Phil Clarke has been doing a lot of work on this - forget the half-arsed stuff used on Sky that the buffoon Eddie Hemmings likes to joke about - via a company he set up with Ian Lenagan. It might result in something useable, especially as IL has a background in maths and manpower-related businesses. That said, you could still use some of the basic principles of Moneyball in building a squad even without the detailed analytics required to perfect it.

Actually, while I think about it I'd suggest Wigan are using something akin to Moneyball principles, even if it's just in a loose way. Over the last few seasons they've consistently lost big name players who've gone to the NRL (or Union) for more money, and replaced them with home grown players and signings from other clubs. Often these guys were seen as being substantially poorer quality than the departed players, and yet Wigan has still maintained their position in the game.

Sorry - completely off topic!

But you're right, on the face of it Krasniqi and Dollapi not finding clubs seems ludicrous.
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Re: Makes no sense to me : Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:11 pm  
I have no idea what either are like as people but the fact that LB do not seem to want either and no one has come in for them may say something (it may not and I could be totally wide of the mark and if so I apologise to both). I would be surprised if neither of them got a deal somewhere next season (and disappointed as well but maybe we don't know the full story).
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Re: Makes no sense to me : Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:28 pm  
I don't know the players personally so can't comment on their attitude, though Joey has made it pretty clear what standards and ethos he wants to I still. However I think it may be that in Joeys eyes they were possibly not going to be first choice players, nor given the reduced cap was there room to offer bigger contracts. Also we have complained bitterly about being out muscled up front and not being able to compete, if your the coach that's a decision you have to take.

If you are a Manager at another SL club up north there are probably enough players either in your own system or another SL club of comparable standard to Erjon and Olsi so it will be tough finding another place for them. Their choices if they are not lucky are part time with other championship clubs or dropping down to champ 1 level.
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Re: Makes no sense to me : Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:40 pm  
Losing the two of them makes no sense to me.
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Re: Makes no sense to me : Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:51 am  
I wasnt referring to Olsi, I was referring to Josh Drinkwater.

There are all sorts of things that happen behind the scenes we arent aware of, but there appears to have been an inherent lack of professionalism and no effective role models (JG commented in RLDS only one player married, and only one with a child in a squad so young, speaks volumes). I think a couple of players found out the hard way and didnt see out their contracts.
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Re: Makes no sense to me : Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:36 am  
I'm not sure who these better 20-22 year-old props are. I watch Singleton at Leeds and Johnson at Huddersfield, for example, and they are way behind Krasniqi/Dollapi. Likewise Riley, who we have just signed, presumably with the money saved by letting our lads go.
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Re: Makes no sense to me : Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:58 am  
There is no doubt a change of culture is needed.

The lack of role models was not just a 2014 issue. It was pretty obvious a large chunk of the 2013 squad held some of their colleagues in contempt.

The individuals who let us down so badly in 2013, and in some cases earlier, nearly destroyed the club. (David's wobble was surely linked to this.) Now they stand on the verge of destroying a talented young players career if the hints in this thread are true. The younger lads had role models alright, just many of them were appalling role models. They must be so proud of themselves.

Poses a few questions about player recruitment back then as well.

I hope the likes of Erjun work hard and go on to a fulfilling career.

What a mess. It's horribly similar to Olu and Yusuf all over again. Here's hoping lessons are learnt this time
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