Re: Come on England. : Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:10 am  

Manuel wrote:

McIlorum doesn’t play NRL. Zero intensity, zero interest, big error. Watkins and Welsby don’t and weren’t brilliant. I thought Radley did ok and was somehow selected for the dream team but we could have managed without him. Doesn’t matter if it’s one or forty points. We lost, again. Again in the dying minutes because we lost our intensity/ concentration and handed over the win. At least Australia aren’t in the wheelchair final.

There isn’t a more intense hooker that MM that qualifies to play for England.

Re: Come on England. : Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:01 am  

Ackers for one, he looked interested.Can’t remember a single shunt from dummy half from MM. Body language awful. He won’t play again for England and hopefully not.

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Re: Come on England. : Wed Nov 16, 2022 11:50 am  

Manuel wrote:

McIlorum doesn’t play NRL. Zero intensity, zero interest, big error. Watkins and Welsby don’t and weren’t brilliant. I thought Radley did ok and was somehow selected for the dream team but we could have managed without him. Doesn’t matter if it’s one or forty points. We lost, again. Again in the dying minutes because we lost our intensity/ concentration and handed over the win. At least Australia aren’t in the wheelchair final.

Saying we could have managed with Radley negates your argument on every level.

Re: Come on England. : Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:59 pm  

No it bloody well doesn’t. Visit Specsavers and try get some clear lenses.

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Re: Come on England. : Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:20 pm  

Apart from 1 pass across all the games, what did he do wrong, and who would have you replaced him with?

Re: Come on England. : Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:24 pm  

Joe Westerman

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Re: Come on England. : Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:15 pm  

Manuel wrote:

Joe Westerman

Ok. He's pretty good but he's 33 and has had some injuries this year. He would have been targeted straight away.
I certainly don't see him as better than Radley, and he certainly doesn't have this NRL intensity so I don't agree.

Re: Come on England. : Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:42 am  

Manuel wrote:

Joe Westerman

Think you need to take your own advice - By visiting SpecSavers.....
Joe hasnt been nowhere near as good as he was last season.

Re: Come on England. : Thu Nov 17, 2022 10:55 am  

That’s a deviation from the point. We lost, again at the death. After Radley’s mistake, we came back to level. Our lack of composure when it mattered, again in a big match, cost us a final spot. Two utterly stupid errors. You could say it saved embarrassment of losing to Australia again but I will be there at OT.
There will probably be quite a few international retirements announced. Hill, Cooper, Hall, Tomkins, Watkins have probably left the saloon. Hopefully, McIlorum too.

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Re: Come on England. : Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:11 pm  

Manuel wrote:

That’s a deviation from the point. We lost, again at the death. After Radley’s mistake, we came back to level. Our lack of composure when it mattered, again in a big match, cost us a final spot. Two utterly stupid errors. You could say it saved embarrassment of losing to Australia again but I will be there at OT.
There will probably be quite a few international retirements announced. Hill, Cooper, Hall, Tomkins, Watkins have probably left the saloon. Hopefully, McIlorum too.

This was your point:

Manuel wrote:

We lost, whatever you say PT, last minute, again, because we haven’t got NRL intensity levels in our RL DNA

And then say we should replace the NRL guy with a 33 year old who's played twice for England (once against a much weaker Samoa 8 years ago and once against combined nations, and played in 2 losing finals so hardly steeped in intense rugby.