Re: Players and vaccination : Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:01 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

In the similar way you can,t leave the country without a passport, drive a car without a license or insurance or use public transport without a ticket.
We are in big numbers now approaching 1 million infections per week. If 20% are un vaccinated and if 20% of that 20% could be loading up the NHS to break point, then draconian measures will be a nailed on certainty.
The nightingales are now being re introduced, preparations for the NHS break point are under way.

If this continues, herd immunity will be inevitable in no time. Calm down owd lad.

Re: Players and vaccination : Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:45 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

In the similar way you can,t leave the country without a passport, drive a car without a license or insurance or use public transport without a ticket.
We are in big numbers now approaching 1 million infections per week. If 20% are un vaccinated and if 20% of that 20% could be loading up the NHS to break point, then draconian measures will be a nailed on certainty.
The nightingales are now being re introduced, preparations for the NHS break point are under way.

But what measures are you talking about?

Can't leave the house? You see the issue with giving the state more powers with infringe on civil liberties is once the crisis used to justify such things is over governments are not so quick to give those rights back.

I don't agree with covid passports simply because I don't trust the government and it may start as a tool to prove vaccination status but I don't believe it ends there and it becomes a tool to gather more information and some kind of id card.

Anti vaxxers are not the only ones who don't get vaccinated.

Undocumented immigrants for example have valid reasons not to want to be vaccinated as when you have a government creating a hostile environment against immigrants and deporting the Windrush generation you see a distrust in believing the government when they say being vaccinated will not result in being sent to some horrible holding prison for immigrants.

Re: Players and vaccination : Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:33 am  

Cokey wrote:

If this continues, herd immunity will be inevitable in no time. Calm down owd lad.

It will, but its the time envelope on when the NHS will be over run, South Africa are now saying 6 to 8 weeks according to their data but they don't have the same density population of the UK.

Then we get another variant and the herd immunity starts all over again, we will probably be heading for more boosters which might eventally start to have more side effects. Up to now each variant has become weaker than the previous one as far as fatalities go.

Re: Players and vaccination : Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:43 am  

puroresu_boy wrote:

But what measures are you talking about?

Can't leave the house? You see the issue with giving the state more powers with infringe on civil liberties is once the crisis used to justify such things is over governments are not so quick to give those rights back.

I don't agree with covid passports simply because I don't trust the government and it may start as a tool to prove vaccination status but I don't believe it ends there and it becomes a tool to gather more information and some kind of id card.

Anti vaxxers are not the only ones who don't get vaccinated.

Undocumented immigrants for example have valid reasons not to want to be vaccinated as when you have a government creating a hostile environment against immigrants and deporting the Windrush generation you see a distrust in believing the government when they say being vaccinated will not result in being sent to some horrible holding prison for immigrants.

Scotland and Walkes have already introduced measures, but I think those should be applied to protect the unvaccinated ones.

I wouldn't worry about Covid Passports and ID cards if I was you, the government have already come through the back door and know everything about you what you do where you go, all courtesy of smartphones and social media platforms, non contact payments etc.

As for undocumented immigrants, if it captures illegal immigrants who are threat to society, then so be it.

[Bullseye]

Re: Players and vaccination : Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:56 am  

Cokey wrote:

If this continues, herd immunity will be inevitable in no time. Calm down owd lad.

In the meantime the NHS gets overrun. Great plan. If you allow it to rip through the population unchecked it will kill people unnecessarily.

Plans are now being put in place to convert Trust gyms, canteens and other communal areas into bed space to cope with extra patients. Hope to God we don't need to use them. Allowing this situation to arise is irresponsible, better to flatten the curve and not run staff into the ground.

As for vaccine inequality around the world that undoubtedly needs tackling alongside getting the unvaccinated over here to take up a jab. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Re: Players and vaccination : Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:33 am  

Bullseye wrote: In the meantime the NHS gets overrun. Great plan. If you allow it to rip through the population unchecked it will kill people unnecessarily. Plans are now being put in place to convert Trust gyms, canteens and other communal areas into bed space to cope with extra patients. Hope to God we don't need to use them. Allowing this situation to arise is irresponsible, better to flatten the curve and not run staff into the ground. As for vaccine inequality around the world that undoubtedly needs tackling alongside getting the unvaccinated over here to take up a jab. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm more concerned about those who can't get treated for more serious KILLER Diseases. Covid was 9th on the list of causes of death as of July 2021. HERE There is a graph showing the death rate thereafter. HERE

Bullseye wrote: In the meantime the NHS gets overrun. Great plan. If you allow it to rip through the population unchecked it will kill people unnecessarily. Plans are now being put in place to convert Trust gyms, canteens and other communal areas into bed space to cope with extra patients. Hope to God we don't need to use them. Allowing this situation to arise is irresponsible, better to flatten the curve and not run staff into the ground. As for vaccine inequality around the world that undoubtedly needs tackling alongside getting the unvaccinated over here to take up a jab. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm more concerned about those who can't get treated for more serious KILLER Diseases. Covid was 9th on the list of causes of death as of July 2021. HERE There is a graph showing the death rate thereafter. HERE

Re: Players and vaccination : Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:40 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Scotland and Walkes have already introduced measures, but I think those should be applied to protect the unvaccinated ones.

I wouldn't worry about Covid Passports and ID cards if I was you, the government have already come through the back door and know everything about you what you do where you go, all courtesy of smartphones and social media platforms, non contact payments etc.

As for undocumented immigrants, if it captures illegal immigrants who are threat to society, then so be it.

They may do it via the backdoor that still doesn't mean I'll willingly sign up to there mission creep.

As for 'threat to society'. Get off that priti Patel kool aid.

Re: Players and vaccination : Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:23 pm  

puroresu_boy wrote:

They may do it via the backdoor that still doesn't mean I'll willingly sign up to there mission creep.

As for 'threat to society'. Get off that priti Patel kool aid.

We've so many grey areas these days we can't see the elephant in the room in so many ways.

Re: Players and vaccination : Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:34 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

In the meantime the NHS gets overrun. Great plan. If you allow it to rip through the population unchecked it will kill people unnecessarily.

The new Omicron variant produces much less severe symptoms including many people with the virus but no symptoms at all.

South Africa are more advanced with Omicron as it apparently started there after the delta variant mutated .

Their scientists are optomistic as their case numbers and hospitalisations go on the slide, that this year will see the end of Covid for them

The more optimistic note after two years of the global pandemic was echoed by the head of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who said on Linkedin that the world had the “tools to end this calamity”.

“After two years, we now know this virus well,” he wrote. “We know the proven measures to control transmission: We know how to treat the disease it causes and improve the chances of survival for people suffering serious illness. With all these learnings and capacities, the opportunity to turn this pandemic around for good is in our grasp.”

And hopefully a full season of RL with crowds back is in our grasp

Re: Players and vaccination : Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:18 pm  

The Government (that has the ultimate say-so as to whether sports events may go ahead) should say that events CANNOT proceed if any (would be) participant is unvaccinated. The players then barred should be fined a week's wage by their club for every week they are unable to play through their own choice. This would, however, require a united front from all the clubs and a strong lead from the RFL.