Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:32 am  

Kettykat wrote:

Yes old Brian didn’t go down so well at the old belle vue holiday club when he tried cracking the whip .

I don't think he'd allow performances to stagnate.

Most of the players who got us into the play offs in 2016 and 2017 were brought in by him i believe

Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:43 am  

Travelling Wilbury wrote:

I don't think he'd allow performances to stagnate.

Most of the players who got us into the play offs in 2016 and 2017 were brought in by him i believe

They also probably benefitted from the strict off season regime, even if they hated it.

Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:59 am  

ricardo07 wrote:

Here is an excellent coach from Wakefield who has the strength the get this best out of these players and to bin those not good enough.
He knows how to win games especially the big ones.

We need to be improving in the next couple of games because everyone know that a win rate of less than 20% is going to relegate us.

I have been a season ticket holder for many years but need to see some improvements soon before I hopefully can book my Catalans trip this year.

I think he would have been the perfect choice had we sacked CC last year but now is too late. Coaches like him need time to put systems in place and replace under performing players.

He simply won’t have time now.

We need a fire fighter who can work with what we have. JK is the obvious but is he past his best now?

Hate to say it but the obvious choice is Last who did a similar thing with Hull.

Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:55 pm  

Last could be the man but think when he turned Hull round he had a much fitter and better team and a very good 6, 7, and a 9 who when on is game is arguable the best in S L

Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:08 pm  

vastman wrote:

I think he would have been the perfect choice had we sacked CC last year but now is too late. Coaches like him need time to put systems in place and replace under performing players.

He simply won’t have time now.

We need a fire fighter who can work with what we have. JK is the obvious but is he past his best now?

Hate to say it but the obvious choice is Last who did a similar thing with Hull.

All other things (money, availability, suitability etc.) aside......short term, we most likely only have Leigh and possibly Salford to beat though don't we? In the words of Billy Connolly:

"The lion sees the two camera men and proceeds to chase after them. One camera man stops and puts on a pair of running shoes. His colleague tells him “You will never outrun the lion in those”. He replied, “I don’t need to outrun the lion, I just need to outrun you!!”.

Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:52 am  

Kettykat wrote:

Yes old Brian didn’t go down so well at the old belle vue holiday club when he tried cracking the whip .

Correct - he made it far too professional for their liking!

Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:17 am  

Kettykat wrote:

Yes old Brian didn’t go down so well at the old belle vue holiday club when he tried cracking the whip .

I’ve been shot down a few times for this but I think Smith was a tonic. He wasn’t the right coach but his brutal attitude to the players meant anyone else was better. I think CC benefitted from this to start with as he seemed so much more enlightened and above all friendly.

Now many have forgotten and are too comfy. I honestly don’t know if BV is a holiday camp but it gives off the feel of being one. Rightly or wrongly this is how many are seeing it, such a shame after some really good seasons.

One way or another we have to toughen up either on or off the field.

Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:36 am  

With us talking hypothetically the new coach must already be at the club because we don’t have time to bed in anyone new. The problem is that all clubs like their players to have competition for their places unfortunately we have a coach who is under no pressure.

Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:39 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

With us talking hypothetically the new coach must already be at the club because we don’t have time to bed in anyone new. The problem is that all clubs like their players to have competition for their places unfortunately we have a coach who is under no pressure.

That's totally wrong IMO, both Last and Poching are possible head coaches in waiting, I don't think there is a Coach in SL who has so much competition right on his doorstep

Re: Brian McDemott anyone? : Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:00 am  

vastman wrote:

I’ve been shot down a few times for this but I think Smith was a tonic. He wasn’t the right coach but his brutal attitude to the players meant anyone else was better. I think CC benefitted from this to start with as he seemed so much more enlightened and above all friendly.

Now many have forgotten and are too comfy. I honestly don’t know if BV is a holiday camp but it gives off the feel of being one. Rightly or wrongly this is how many are seeing it, such a shame after some really good seasons.

One way or another we have to toughen up either on or off the field.

For me the issue with Smith was, he was probably used to a certain level of support from the clubs he has been at to implement the change he needed to to make a club successful, that's not a dig at our club, as MC stated publicly we gave him all the support we could financially but based on the position we was in at the time, I don`t think that was anywhere near enough.

I genuinely think based on what I have heard from certain people involved with the club at the time that members of the playing squad were not a fan off the level of work Brian Smith come in and demanded, especially in the pre-season, for me that's all about balance and again from what I hear the we are completely the opposite right now in terms of our demands and expectations of our players and it shows now. As you say, I think Chester had that period when he first come in of players reacting really well to the change, he talked a lot about allowing players to express themselves and play with a smile on there faces but uplift in performances based solely on that was only going to last so long.

We badly miss an experienced head at the club in my opinion, people can tell me how much experience Chester, Last and Poaching have between them but someone like John Kear, just having him at the club is priceless in my opinion, he has been around the block, he has found himself in some dreadful situations, he has found himself in some very good situation and he knows what to do to get things moving. If we aren't going to budge on Chester, I would genuinely jump at the chance to have someone come in as a director of Rugby.