Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:50 pm  

Team out muscled 2nite thats for sure. Wigan too big and dominant up the middle. Cut us too easily in the middle of the park but its a very young Leeds team and weve no half backs.

Not sure what people are saying about team selection but the club simply does not have enough players to fill the teams. So theres lots of sorting out to do.

Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:58 pm  

Seth wrote:

Yet someone like steve fox who for me has far more potential and insight was let go. Hope im proved wrong but he just doesnt seem to have the requisite skills.

Come on Seth you are miles off with this one put your old working relationship with Fox to one side. He was out of his depth at Leeds ask any parent player or coach who worked under him most will tell you the same. He wasnt the answer far far from it he's a 13s coach at best and lucky to get the gig he has but time will tell how long that lasts.

Said it a million times they have a great junior coach but for whatever reason he gets overlooked on the gigs thats are going. It might be jobs for the boys it might not i dont know? `too stop start and too much huff and puff without any genuine quality tonight i was told they were good at Newcastle for long periods but Newcastle and Wigan are like chalk and cheese.

Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:42 am  

Should we have a group of coaches to go out and coach the coaches of the junior teams?

I've previously been involved in coaching at junior level and whilst I've got a lot of experience in the game, it's not easy to get the message over to kids who sometimes just want to roll in the mud. Most junior coaches are the dad of someone in the team/club and are doing it without much formal education in how to coach. That's not a recipe for improving players to such a standard they are ready to come under the wing of a professional club.

Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:54 am  

batleyrhino wrote:

Should we have a group of coaches to go out and coach the coaches of the junior teams?

I've previously been involved in coaching at junior level and whilst I've got a lot of experience in the game, it's not easy to get the message over to kids who sometimes just want to roll in the mud. Most junior coaches are the dad of someone in the team/club and are doing it without much formal education in how to coach. That's not a recipe for improving players to such a standard they are ready to come under the wing of a professional club.

I dont think this is a new thing to be honest its gone on for a number of years dads coaching their sons as no one else wants to do the job. Dont the club do nights throughout the year where club coaches come down? Im sure they used to but not 100% sure? That said said people on this forum are moaning about the coaches at the club so if they arnt good enough then whats the point in sending them to coach other coaches? Theres an argument that our better 18s weren't playing last night as its better for their development in the reserves im sure Wigan could argue the same. All the same it would have been nice to see Hall and Tindall tightening the edges up made for a more competitive game i feel.

Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:06 am  

Tindall and Hall are playing in the reserves Saturday.

Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:26 pm  

tomtom84 wrote:

I dont think this is a new thing to be honest its gone on for a number of years dads coaching their sons as no one else wants to do the job. Dont the club do nights throughout the year where club coaches come down? Im sure they used to but not 100% sure? That said said people on this forum are moaning about the coaches at the club so if they arnt good enough then whats the point in sending them to coach other coaches? Theres an argument that our better 18s weren't playing last night as its better for their development in the reserves im sure Wigan could argue the same. All the same it would have been nice to see Hall and Tindall tightening the edges up made for a more competitive game i feel.

Yep McDermott, whatever his faults, was a big driver behind the coach education programme that ran for several years (it might be still be going, not sure) and he used to take several sessions.

It was great in my opinion. The only problem being that it was somewhat preaching to the converted. Those who wanted to know more and be a better coach went to the sessions and you’d often see the same faces there. But those “bad” coaches are still bad coaches because they don’t go to the session.

Definitely worth doing though. They can only be positive for the amateur game.

Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:52 pm  

Shouldn't we take the coach education programme around to the amateur clubs rather than run courses at HQ? I'd say this should be part of Agar's former role and something he should do if / when he steps back from 1st Team Coach.

Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:40 pm  

Totally understand what you are saying Batley, and dont disagree at all, but shouldnt the RFL but in charge of coach education and not the professional clubs?

Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:49 pm  

My comparison was fox to walker not worked with steve for years but whether or not he was the answer hes in front walker in my opinion.

Some of the coach education doesnt get to the key fundamantal issues that are going on in amateur clubs. Id start with simple principle (though also most important) that children should be active for at least 80% of the session, ie not doing things in relay lines with 12 kids queueing up to smash into a tackle shield held by a dad. Im so disheartened to still see that going on. And it even still happens within the leeds foundation staff, repeat stop doing activities in relay fashion. Id love to run a club cpd session, i was involved with delivering at the rhinos ones nearly 15 years ago.

Re: 2020 | Under 18s : Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:47 pm  

tomtom84 wrote:

Said it a million times they have a great junior coach but for whatever reason he gets overlooked on the gigs thats are going. It might be jobs for the boys it might not i dont know? `too stop start and too much huff and puff without any genuine quality tonight i was told they were good at Newcastle for long periods but Newcastle and Wigan are like chalk and cheese.

Are you referring to MB?