He’s certainly not coming with much expectation. It’s totally the opposite of George Burgess and it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if come the end of the season people are really happy with Clark and underwhelmed by Burgess and a lot of that will come down to expectation and reputation.

Fingers crossed both will smash it though.

He’s got the cursed 14 shirt, everyone who has that leaves the year after.

He should have had the 8 shirt, he’s miles better than Clubb.

Not sure about the curse of the 14 shirt, only one player in the last five seasons has left the season after holding it. It's Bateman's lucky shirt if anything! Agree that Flower should have been given a starting shirt on merit, but talking of the club letting him down shows a real lack of awareness from him.

Flower hasn't been good for over 3 seasons now, even then I wasn't overly impressed. He's never been anything more than a poor man's Andy Platt.

Let down by the club?! He should be grateful he has been able to hold down a shirt at a club several rungs bigger than his ability should allow.

Bang average even at his “best”.

The fact that there is a discussion over whether he or Clubb should have a starting prop number tells you what you need to know about where Wigan’s squad needs investment.

I think you’ll find that we’ve already invested in that department , can’t argue with the Flower/Clubb comment though. For me both should have been moved on.