FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Reserves no more!
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach9330
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 18 200519 years51st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 22:2428th Mar 24 08:16LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature

"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."― Albert Einstein


"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." ― Gertrude Stein


"Don't believe everything you read on the internet" ― Abraham Lincoln

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:32 am  
I can understand the reasons in theory but didn't most of the money the trust raised go towards the reserves? It was easy for them to raise money as people had an idea where the money was going so if you wanted to help the reserves the trust would be where you put your money. Now they are left as just another supporters group and despite all their hard work they may now stuggle to raise as much money as they have done now competing against Fax1 so if the BOD have budgeted to use the amounts riased over the past few years they could easily get a shock.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain475
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 09 20159 years295th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th May 23 11:0931st Jan 22 10:22LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:38 am  
Cassandra wrote:
'
This one will not, haveing put upwards of nearly £400. a year for the last 4-5 and more. I think I have done my share towards fund raiseing. I thought helping young players get a foot on the pro. ladder be it our or another club was the best way to go. As for the club surely it is their responsibilty to budget for the season, the fund raiseing for the junior squad was a bonus as I see it?


I'm with you. I completely understand why the board have made the decision, but why not say this earlier rather than get a team in the comp and then fold it. I've put a lot in over the years on the belief that I was bringing young players into the game and into the team. I was told that the funding for the reserves was being kept separate from the first team. Feel let down and won't be putting any more into the club.
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2387
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 29 200815 years274th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 23:4212th Mar 24 17:42LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
On the Star Ship Andromeda Hope Lives Again !!

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:27 am  
Completely agree with all the postings after reading the Boards Statement a reality check on the mess the Game is in.
The Priority is the safeguard of the Club otherwise we could end up in the same financial
Morass that our near neighbours are
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1457No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 04 200717 years296th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Mar 24 18:3219th Mar 24 15:34LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Halifax

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:47 am  
Best reserve products, Rawsthorne and Butler, gone.
Woodburn-Hall will be gone once his studies are over.
The Welsh lads won't set the world on fire and improve the first team IMO.

Follow Fevs lead and take advantage of DR as I'm sick of watching bang average RL without value for money
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach9330
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 18 200519 years51st
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 22:2428th Mar 24 08:16LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature

"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."― Albert Einstein


"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." ― Gertrude Stein


"Don't believe everything you read on the internet" ― Abraham Lincoln

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:13 am  
jeffvickers wrote:
Best reserve products, Rawsthorne and Butler, gone.
Woodburn-Hall will be gone once his studies are over.
The Welsh lads won't set the world on fire and improve the first team IMO.

Follow Fevs lead and take advantage of DR as I'm sick of watching bang average RL without value for money


I get what you are saying but we would not have signed Braber, Morris, Moore, Rawsthorne, or Butler if we did not have a reserves team not to mention the fringe first team players who have just signed new contracts.
faxcar 
RankPostsTeam
International Star4260
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 26 201013 years73rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 09:0925th Jan 24 22:10LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:04 am  
From looking at the statement from the new BoD, with emphasis on the new.
They have come in and looked at the club from top to bottom or root to branch as they stated.
The aim would be keeping the club afloat in the sort term and sustainable in the longer term.
This would mean a huge amount of work and TIME that would involve an order of importance.
Initially they would not really know what could stay and what had to go or what could be sustained and what could not.
As time has gone by they are now in a more “informed” position to make the appropriate decisions.
This would apply to the reserves that were part of what they inherited and likely looked a good thing and consequently they applied to be part of the new set up, which by the way if they hadn’t done so they would have been heavily criticised.
Now with a deeper knowledge of how the club stands and with the bigger interests in mind they have made the decision (very reluctantly I bet) to cut the reserves.
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member1309No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 19 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
4th Dec 20 21:5720th Oct 19 12:10LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Halifax

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:10 pm  
I actually wholeheartedly agree with the decision that the BOD have taken. Let's be honest, the reserves is a lovely option to have if the competition was valued by the whole of the RFL. The trust has say raised in excess of £250k to fund the team over the last 5+ years. What players has the reserves actually produced from the scholarship, through the reserves and into the first team that are good enough and in the team week in week out.... None!! Rawsthorne was on trial, RM wouldn't sign him and we lost him to Hull, Butler was picked up after losing faith in the game after rejection from several SL clubs, Moore was signed from Cas, JWH was a product of London as he was rekeased to pursue his Education at Leeds Uni... The reserves has never produced a Maguire, Edwards, Murrell for that matter since the club had a proper scouting function in SL when we unearthed and developed the likes of Chris Chester, Danny Tickle etc... The club still has the pathway from Calderdale College and if your good enough, your old enough, just look at Siddal product Morgan Smithies. In all honesty anybody with any promise will be scouted by SL in their early teens....

I think the club needs to get it right both on and off the field but the 1st team must now take priority. I'd rather people come together for a truly fans sponsored player recruitment programme, similar to squad builder in Fax1. If you were to theoretically blend the Trust and Fax1 together you have the perfect Supporters Club as both attract different fans to them.... I know this ad a founder and former Chairman of The Trust. Both do a great job but both can still contribute greatly to the club if communicated with properly.

Well done Fax for taking a tough decision but it's absolutely the right one for the club right now as I think the money spent on the reserves in hindsight couldve been spent better elsewhere.
faxcar 
RankPostsTeam
International Star4260
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 26 201013 years73rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 09:0925th Jan 24 22:10LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:40 pm  
Apart from the funding to be able to run the reserves of course you need the players.
As the BoD pointed out as the weeks have gone by since they took over it’s become clear that Fax didn’t have access to enough players of the right age and ability to be able to compete against their SL counterparts in the new comp.
What would be the point of getting hammered both results wise and physically every week?

Sustainability goes beyond finance but I’m sure the fund raisers will be trying their best to keep that aspect of the income streams alive and we can all decide wether to buy into it or not.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star3533
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 24 201014 years286th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 23 07:519th Jul 23 16:41LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Fax Vegas

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:33 pm  
There are a number of issues here, firstly the club needs to keep going financially otherwise even if we had a reserve team that would fold along with the club.
In terms of getting the players in who are good enough, all the top level quality youngsters get cherry picked off by SL clubs, just look around SL now and there are plenty of Fax lads playing, there are at least 3 in the England Knights team today. None of these lads have been near the Fax setup unfortunately and that is why we won’t have the quality of players to compete with the SL reserves.
If we were in a league with Championship reserve teams it might be a different matter.

Hopefully we can revisit the reserve setup in the future.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4626
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 05 201112 years99th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
28th Mar 24 21:4328th Mar 24 11:42LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Shuddersfield
Signature
Hear All, See All, Say Nowt.
Eat All, Sup All, Pay Nowt.
And if Tha ever does Owt for Nowt,
Allus do it for Thissen.

Re: Reserves no more! : Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:36 pm  
Norman Bates wrote:
There are a number of issues here, firstly the club needs to keep going financially otherwise even if we had a reserve team that would fold along with the club.
In terms of getting the players in who are good enough, all the top level quality youngsters get cherry picked off by SL clubs, just look around SL now and there are plenty of Fax lads playing, there are at least 3 in the England Knights team today. None of these lads have been near the Fax setup unfortunately and that is why we won’t have the quality of players to compete with the SL reserves.
If we were in a league with Championship reserve teams it might be a different matter.

Hopefully we can revisit the reserve setup in the future.

Agree 100%.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 146 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Halifax Panthers


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
58m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
weaver93
359
Recent
TV games not Wire
rubber ducki
2864
Recent
The Good Friday Derby Massacre
Tarquin Fueg
139
Recent
Ky Rodwell
Spookisback
109
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
The Bulls away
terry silver
9
1m
Ky Rodwell
Spookisback
109
1m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
weaver93
359
1m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Jack Burton
8703
2m
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
RobRiches
1934
3m
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
Cokey
4
3m
TV games not Wire
rubber ducki
2864
3m
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
8m
Fevround 2
Trojan Horse
91
9m
TV Games - Not Hull
Chris71
1385
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhinos Go Level Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
York - 14th April
Spookisback
10
TODAY
Stats article
Sir Gregory
5
TODAY
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
Cokey
4
TODAY
Squad for Catalan
Smiffy27
17
TODAY
The Wigan Way - New Podcast - Chairman Special
Jukesays
1
TODAY
Dons v Swinton Lions 30 June 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad for Sheffield
AdamH
1
TODAY
London Away
Fartown58
1
TODAY
The Bulls away
terry silver
9
TODAY
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
TODAY
Saints a
WWste
23
TODAY
Leon Ruan signs on loan
Jemmo
2
TODAY
Wardle
Jo Jumbuck
3
TODAY
Huddersfield - Home
Fartown58
6
TODAY
Max Wood on loan to Bradford 2 weeks
rubber ducki
7
TODAY
Jake Wardle 5 Year deal
Zig
22
TODAY
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
PopTart
27
TODAY
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangements
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhino..
127
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangeme..
553
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Fin..
677
Easy Does It For The Dragons A..
586
Warrington Demolish London For..
690
Leigh Leopards Beat Plucky Fea..
741
Saints Triumph Over Disappoint..
720
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
958
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
928
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
1075
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
1047
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
1112
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
1086
2024 Challenge Cup Sixth Round..
3868
Featherstone Win Extra Time Cu..
1205
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.57M 2,325 80,00114,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TODAY
National Rugby League 2024-R4
05:05
Souths
v
Canterbury
09:05
Brisbane
v
NQL Cowboys
Mens Super League XXVIII-R6
12:30
Hull KR
v
Hull FC
Championship 2024-R2
14:00
Widnes
v
Swinton
Mens Super League XXVIII-R6
15:00
St.Helens
v
Wigan
Championship 2024-R2
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Barrow
17:00
Dewsbury
v
Batley
18:00
Featherstone
v
Wakefield
19:30
Bradford
v
Halifax
19:30
Doncaster
v
Sheffield
League One 2024-R2
19:30
Hunslet
v
Keighley
 TOMORROW
National Rugby League 2024-R4
06:30
St.George
v
Manly
08:35
Gold Coast
v
Dolphins
Mens Super League XXVIII-R6
15:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
League One 2024-R2
15:00
Newcastle
v
Workington
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 29th Mar
SL
12:30
Hull KR-Hull FC
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Wigan
Sat 30th Mar
SL
15:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
17:30
Salford-Leigh
Sun 31st Mar
SL
15:00
LondonB-Huddersfield
L1
15:00
Oldham-Rochdale
Thu 4th Apr
SL
20:00
Leigh-Wigan
Fri 5th Apr
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
Hull KR-LondonB
SL
20:00
Leeds-Warrington
Sat 6th Apr
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Huddersfield
SL
17:30
Catalans-St.Helens
Sat 13th Apr
CC2024
17:00
Hull KR-Leigh
Sun 14th Apr
CC2024
16:30
St.Helens-Warrington
Fri 19th Apr
SL
20:00
Leeds-Huddersfield
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Wigan-Castleford
Sat 20th Apr
SL
15:00
Warrington-Leigh
SL
17:30
Catalans-Hull KR
Sun 21st Apr
SL
15:00
LondonB-Salford
Thu 28th Mar
SL 6 Castleford6-26Leeds
NRL 4 Sydney16-22Penrith
Sun 24th Mar
CC2024 6 Halifax4-40Catalans
NRL 3 Parramatta28-24Manly
NRL 3 Newcastle14-12Melbourne
L1 1 Cornwall16-40Crusaders
L1 1 Keighley58-16Workington
L1 1 Midlands70-16Newcastle
L1 1 Rochdale24-26Hunslet
WOMCC2024 2 FeatherstoneW38-6Shef W
WOMCC2024 2 BarrowW18-20WiganW
WOMCC2024 2 LonB W6-24Wire W
WOMCC2024 2 HKR Wom0-90LeedsW
WOMCC2024 2 Lei L W6-36Hudds W
Sat 23rd Mar
CC2024 6 Batley14-28Castleford
CC2024 6 Huddersfield50-6Hull FC
CC2024 6 Leigh26-14Featherstone
CC2024 6 Warrington42-0LondonB
NRL 3 Canterbury32-0Gold Coast
NRL 3 St.George24-46NQL Cowboys
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Warrington 5 156 58 98 8
Wigan 4 144 54 90 8
St.Helens 5 118 40 78 8
Catalans 5 126 54 72 8
Leeds 6 108 88 20 8
Hull KR 5 98 63 35 6
 
Salford 5 95 96 -1 6
Huddersfield 5 94 98 -4 4
Leigh 4 82 54 28 2
Hull FC 5 54 162 -108 2
Castleford 6 62 204 -142 0
LondonB 5 54 220 -166 0
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Widnes 1 44 8 36 2
Wakefield 1 42 12 30 2
Doncaster 1 36 20 16 2
Halifax 1 24 10 14 2
Featherstone 1 24 20 4 2
Sheffield 1 24 22 2 2
 
Whitehaven 1 18 16 2 2
Toulouse 1 22 24 -2 0
Swinton 1 16 18 -2 0
Batley 1 20 24 -4 0
Dewsbury 1 10 24 -14 0
York 1 20 36 -16 0
Bradford 1 12 42 -30 0
Barrow 1 8 44 -36 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
58m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
weaver93
359
Recent
TV games not Wire
rubber ducki
2864
Recent
The Good Friday Derby Massacre
Tarquin Fueg
139
Recent
Ky Rodwell
Spookisback
109
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
The Bulls away
terry silver
9
1m
Ky Rodwell
Spookisback
109
1m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
weaver93
359
1m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Jack Burton
8703
2m
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
RobRiches
1934
3m
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
Cokey
4
3m
TV games not Wire
rubber ducki
2864
3m
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
8m
Fevround 2
Trojan Horse
91
9m
TV Games - Not Hull
Chris71
1385
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhinos Go Level Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
York - 14th April
Spookisback
10
TODAY
Stats article
Sir Gregory
5
TODAY
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
Cokey
4
TODAY
Squad for Catalan
Smiffy27
17
TODAY
The Wigan Way - New Podcast - Chairman Special
Jukesays
1
TODAY
Dons v Swinton Lions 30 June 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad for Sheffield
AdamH
1
TODAY
London Away
Fartown58
1
TODAY
The Bulls away
terry silver
9
TODAY
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
TODAY
Saints a
WWste
23
TODAY
Leon Ruan signs on loan
Jemmo
2
TODAY
Wardle
Jo Jumbuck
3
TODAY
Huddersfield - Home
Fartown58
6
TODAY
Max Wood on loan to Bradford 2 weeks
rubber ducki
7
TODAY
Jake Wardle 5 Year deal
Zig
22
TODAY
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
PopTart
27
TODAY
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangements
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhino..
127
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangeme..
553
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Fin..
677
Easy Does It For The Dragons A..
586
Warrington Demolish London For..
690
Leigh Leopards Beat Plucky Fea..
741
Saints Triumph Over Disappoint..
720
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
958
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
928
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
1075
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
1047
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
1112
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
1086
2024 Challenge Cup Sixth Round..
3868
Featherstone Win Extra Time Cu..
1205


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!