Re: Hull KR : Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:56 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

A scrum cap does absolutely nothing for concussion, in fact possibly makes the chance of a head-knock even higher.

not entirely true, if they have good padding on. it can lessen the impact

Re: Hull KR : Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:03 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Sounds like there’s a good chance of Flower, Greenwood and French being involved. What we thinking regarding the line up?

I’d struggle to leave out Liam Byrne after last week but if those three come in you’d have to think somebody will feel pretty unlucky. I’m thinking-

Hardaker
Marshall Sarginson Gildart Burgess
Williams Leuluai
Navarette Powell Clubb
Isa Farrell Partington

Flower Byrne Greenwood French

I’ve said it before but I’d give Smithies a little break now and let him freshen up for the run in after the cup final. He’s a fabulous young player and currently in our top 17 for me but no need to over burden him when we have a few options.

I'd go with that. Isa and Faz must start. Greenwood benched.

Fascinated to see what position French would come on at should he come off the bench.

Re: Hull KR : Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:13 pm  

Pieman wrote:

not entirely true, if they have good padding on. it can lessen the impact

It's not the impact zone that's the main issue, it's the back of the brain hitting the back of the skull from the impact. As studies have shown with CTE sufferers from the NFL, the helmet, which is considerably more solid that a scrum cap does little, if nothing to protect the player.

Re: Hull KR : Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:23 pm  

cadoo wrote:

I'd go with that. Isa and Faz must start. Greenwood benched.

Fascinated to see what position French would come on at should he come off the bench.

Lam didn’t give much away on Wigan TV saying he’ll be on the bench and could come in at stand off, full back or on the wing.

Re: Hull KR : Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:26 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

It's not the impact zone that's the main issue, it's the back of the brain hitting the back of the skull from the impact. As studies have shown with CTE sufferers from the NFL, the helmet, which is considerably more solid that a scrum cap does little, if nothing to protect the player.

I played 7 years of American Football and was lucky to come away with only 2 concussions. In a way you think of the Helmet as a weapon, so you think nothing of slamming it into someone else, forgetting that it's meant to be keeping your face a bit more intact. The foam padding on the inside is less than an inch thick in most places and is more for comfort of general wearing & making sure it doesn't fly off than protecting you.

Re: Hull KR : Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:30 pm  

Think this is a potential banana skin particularly considering the weather forecast - storms due all day.

Re: Hull KR : Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:35 pm  

There have been a number of scientific studies done in scrum caps and whilst there is some disagreement most of the evidence points towards them having no affect or actually increasing the chances of concussion.

The mechanics of concussion as above are related to the effects of the brain hitting the inside of the skull.

Scrum caps increase the size of the impact zone and also give the wearer more confidence which can lead to increase in numbers of concussion.

Scrum caps do without doubt reduce the potential for cuts but not concussions it is generally agreed.

The best way would be to look at the mechanics of his run and impact, and look for improving technique.

He is a tall rangey player which will mean he will have larger areas exposed and to work on.

From a purely firm point of view though Isa and Faz need to be starting secondrows.

Greenwood had a great start to his Wigan career, however I’ve not been too impressed for much of his time at Wigan thus far.

Re: Hull KR : Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:39 am  

CM Punk wrote:

I played 7 years of American Football and was lucky to come away with only 2 concussions. In a way you think of the Helmet as a weapon, so you think nothing of slamming it into someone else, forgetting that it's meant to be keeping your face a bit more intact. The foam padding on the inside is less than an inch thick in most places and is more for comfort of general wearing & making sure it doesn't fly off than protecting you.

Yeah your right.
Additionally it's now been proven that brain damage isn't just from concussions but from any 'reasonable' head trauma, think a jab to the head which snaps the head back as opposed to previous thinking that only a KO or partial KO would lead to a concussion.

CTE is something still relatively new in terms of finding out how many damage is actually done. As you'll probably know as a NFL fan and former American Football player, the NFL do what they can to protect their name and brand and don't want any medical reports which highlights the serious issues with the game. (Will Smith made a film about the Dr who fought the NFL for such reports to be visible to the outside world.

CTE has led to psychosis and other mental issues, all from head trauma. I think in years to come we'll truly see how bad contact sports have been on the brain; this very much includes RL.

Re: Hull KR : Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:01 am  

cadoo wrote:

I'd go with that. Isa and Faz must start. Greenwood benched.

Fascinated to see what position French would come on at should he come off the bench.

I'd see if Burgess shows any improvement otherwise French on for Budgie

Re: Hull KR : Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:17 pm  

Win's a win but I thought that was pretty awful, good job KR butchered those first half chances or it could have been a very different story.