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Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:27 pm
Posted by lefty goldblatt on Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:27 pm
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..... and boy, do we have them.

It's been SEVEN long years, since Adrian Morley last lifted anything of value, despite oodles of Moran and Middleton's money has been spent, which leads to
Recruitment, which, on the whole, stinks to high heaven.
A starting XIII which gets picked (depending on bans/injuries), which leads to, no plan B, which leads to a crap run of form.
We have poor discipline, players bang out of form.

We're spiraling out of control, and it's showing no sign of stopping. Hull must be rubbing their hands.
Westwood MUST play on Saturday, poor discipline or not. We HAVE to make changes. Bring Livett back in. If we've lost on Saturday afternoon, that's it. Season over. We simply haven't the wherewithal, to come back from this. We're like a punch drunk heavyweight boxer, and we're stuck on the ropes, taking a pounding.

Grow a pair, Warrington
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Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:38 pm
Posted by morrisseyisawire on Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:38 pm
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Absolutely spot on. I keep looking back at the Hull away game, and yes I know Hull were short of several players that night, but we played heady, attractive rugby in dismantling them and had an imperious full-on star on Austin.

What's gone wrong?

We've retreated into our shell, elected for dour risk-free rugby and succeeded only in nullifying our attack and given the chasing pack a glimmer of second place they never expected.

Loss of form, loss of composure and what I've come to think is a personal vendetta from Price towards certain players. Chaos.

Our attitude, attack, defence, disclipline and mental toughness need to go up several gears if we are going to get a final place most of the squad barely deserve.
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Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:47 pm
Posted by WILLOWSTOURS on Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:47 pm
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SPOT ON!!
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Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:59 pm
Posted by ratticusfinch on Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:59 pm
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You'd think by now his persistence on playing the same 17 on the whole (some without any justification) would've at least led to some attacking cohesion. You can't blame Patton for lack of runners off the ball and having no planned moves at all. What are they doing all week? A very unbalanced squad when you take into account the ignored players. A few tweaks would improve things and freshen things up by Price clearly isn't having it.
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Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:08 pm
Posted by Psychedelic Casual on Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:08 pm
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We’re a fairly average overall team with some very good individual players.

A team of this quality will have runs of good form where everyone gets overexcited and expectations get unrealistic; and will have runs of poor form where everyone goes over the top with how bad things are and expectations for how good we’re supposed to be get unrealistic.

There’s nothing more to this. We are just an half decent side with a few very good players.

I think everyone needs to get real. We aren’t that good and things aren’t that bad.

In terms of recruitment, I agree, since 2013 we’ve been inconsistent. For every good signing there’s been a polar opposite one too. But that happens. It happens at every team in every league in every sport.
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morrisseyisawire wrote:
Absolutely spot on. I keep looking back at the Hull away game, and yes I know Hull were short of several players that night, but we played heady, attractive rugby in dismantling them and had an imperious full-on star on Austin.

.... and that was 4 MONTHS ago.
I've just checked our results, and bar the usual walk overs (London, etc), we've won TWO closeish games, since then. A Cas side (with injuries, which they've NEVER mentioned) and a stuttering Wigan. Other than that, nowt.

And that's a side that wants to compete for trophies.

Latter day Smith, and Price have a LOT to answer for.

A big change in attitude is needed. FAST.
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Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:22 pm
Posted by WILLOWSTOURS on Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:22 pm
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your view is spot on a few good players in average team, and your right we aren`t that good, but things are that bad, we are by far the riches club in super league, and spend money , we should be a lot better, it lies in youth development, we are light years behind wigan, saints, leeds, hull even Huddersfield, this is were we need to improve, until we produce 3 to 4 players good enough for super league, we will never be any better.
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Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:23 pm
Posted by Psychedelic Casual on Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:23 pm
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morrisseyisawire wrote:
Absolutely spot on. I keep looking back at the Hull away game, and yes I know Hull were short of several players that night, but we played heady, attractive rugby in dismantling them and had an imperious full-on star on Austin.

What's gone wrong?

We've retreated into our shell, elected for dour risk-free rugby and succeeded only in nullifying our attack and given the chasing pack a glimmer of second place they never expected.

Loss of form, loss of composure and what I've come to think is a personal vendetta from Price towards certain players. Chaos.

Our attitude, attack, defence, disclipline and mental toughness need to go up several gears if we are going to get a final place most of the squad barely deserve.

Anyone can hammer anyone in this sport in an individual game where one team are on song and the other team are not up for it and full of injuries.

Never select one individual game to show how good or bad a team is.

That one game can be the anomaly against the trend. If you think this squad of players should be playing that well every week, your expectations are wildly unrealistic.

So, it’s not that anything has gone wrong, it’s that Hull away was an anomaly of a game. Almost the whole rest of the season has shown what we really are: an inconsistent half decent side, who have runs of good and bad form.
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Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:30 pm
Posted by Lord Tony Smith on Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:30 pm
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Big changes needed for me and they should start at the top. No trophy for almost a decade despite having the most resources available.

Hill and Cooper coming off after 20 mins today. Hill had just had 2 weeks off. We look so unfit and devoid of ideas. Thank God everyone else bar Saints are crap otherwise we'd struggle to make the top 5.

Recruitment has been a disgrace, as has the blind faith in players that are not and never will be good enough. Take Dec Patton out the team give Livett a go next to Austin. Ship Tasi away to Crosfields for the rest of the season (though I'm not sure he'd get a game). Bring back Westwood to give us some bite. Akaoula does about 15 mins when he plays, same with BMM (he used to play around 50-60mins at Salford). What has Ade Gardner been doing?

Our style is boring and predictable. Five drives and a high bomb. No risk or initiative or pre planned plays. What do we do in training every day?
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Post Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:32 pm
Posted by runningman29 on Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:32 pm
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Well in reality you can prob count on one hand how many games we’ve actually played well so are we in a false position?I’d say yes and it’s helped us that the teams below us have been just as inconsistent and the recruitment apart from Austin who’s form has alarmingly dipped has been poor to say the least but who the eff is our scount as I could do a better job as most of these signings have been dreadful.
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