FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Tautai - Drink driving.
Wigg'n 
RankPostsTeam
International Star7528
JoinedServiceReputation
May 11 201113 years209th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
8th May 24 08:414th May 24 14:27LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:17 pm  
DaveO wrote:
I have not received any offers to buy my house. That is because it is not for sale. If I put it on the market I'd probably get some. If IL decided to sell the club, you never know, someone might be interested.


Wow
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4469
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20 201311 years92nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
12th Sep 23 17:4931st Aug 23 13:19LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Watching Rugby League

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:19 pm  
[Gareth] wrote:
Can we get rid now please


https://www.wigantoday.net/news/crime/w ... -1-9818478
[Gareth] wrote:
Can we get rid now please


https://www.wigantoday.net/news/crime/w ... -1-9818478
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach15195No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 14 200618 years192nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th May 24 11:2312th May 24 06:50LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:26 pm  
DaveO wrote:
I have not received any offers to buy my house. That is because it is not for sale. If I put it on the market I'd probably get some. If IL decided to sell the club, you never know, someone might be interested.


Something you've been dying to see for a long, long time, but haven't been able to say openly because of how ridiculous it would have made you look.
Wigg'n 
RankPostsTeam
International Star7528
JoinedServiceReputation
May 11 201113 years209th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
8th May 24 08:414th May 24 14:27LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:34 pm  
Cherry.Pie wrote:
It's a fair point, but there seems to be a difference between most businesses and a professional sports club. And any business can have a bad culture, but it's unlikely that anyone outside that company will become aware of it. Not so in professional sport.

I can't claim to know the ins and outs, but my assumption is Rugby league provides a unique set of circumstances. Players have to live quite different lives from many who work 9 to 5 jobs or what might be considered 'regular' jobs. Rugby league seems to encourage a binge drinking culture which is an issue that's been raised many times by former professionals. The nature of the sport - the training schedules, playing on weekends etc. means players are going to have time to unwind at irregular times and hours compared to most - so there's a good chance they'll spend a lot of time with team mates away from rugby. If there's a culture where players go out and get hammered whenever they have time off then other players are going to follow suit, whether they socialise together or not.

Young players get thrown into this world of professional sport and they are going to look for role models - the players say it themselves - whereas in most jobs you probably wouldn't look at colleagues as role models as such. At least not to the extent that young sports stars seem to. Most jobs you'll have mates outside work who work the same hours and can socialise with at the same time and there's a very distinct difference between work and socialising.

For me that's why it's so important to have good role models in rugby league. It's not so much about young fans, but young players who are probably going to follow the same patterns as those they play alongside. So in these unique circumstances the club should have a certain degree of responsibility towards players to ensure they can cope with this irregular lifestyle. That would include making sure there is the right kind of working environment and the right kind of education for players.

The club might not be able to stop a player drink driving if they choose to, but they can certainly make it so there are serious consequences for those who do it. Take the Hardaker situation. The club offered him help which was commendable, but in terms of punishment for the offence they did little. There seems to be a mentality of 'well I've only had a few so I can risk it'. If they get caught they'll lose their licence but still have a decent job and can keep playing as if nothing happens. And if players keep going out with that attitude others will follow. Actually giving players suitable punishments for drink driving might make others think twice about 'risking it'.

If it's seen as normal for players to go out and get absolutely hammered when they have down time then it's always going to continue and the club and the sport as a whole will always have to contend with numerous drink related incidents.


You're entirely correct in everything you say, especially on the culture of drinking for athletes, especially prevalent in Rugby players. The amount of ex-players you see getting absolutely smashed is incredible, but they've been doing it since they were in their 20s. You can go out in Wigan, Warrington, St Helens, Leeds and you will see players of clubs doing or snorting god knows what.

This isn't a club issue though, it is personal/social. Clubs can go to extensive lengths of education, discipline, scheduling etc. and players will still f'up.

Look at the NRL - it's one of the best sports leagues in the world. Massive amount of funding, the clubs do everything to look after their players (especially the stars), incredibly professional with all sorts of training and education at their disposal and there were 66 high-profile scandals in just over 3 years.

Ben Barba beat up his wife. Was that NQ Cowboys fault for not teaching him to not beat up his wife or was it Barba's responsibility to behave like a human being?

When Michael Maguire was at the club (most fans would agree the toughest culture we've had in a long time?), was it the clubs' fault that Martin Gleeson turned up for training vexed?

Taulima Tautai is a 31 year old man who has played professional RL since he was 20 years old, i.e. old enough to know better and experienced enough to know that getting caught drink driving could ruin his career or life.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star4469
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 20 201311 years92nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
12th Sep 23 17:4931st Aug 23 13:19LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Watching Rugby League

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:36 pm  
Wigg'n wrote:
When Michael Maguire was at the club (most fans would agree the toughest culture we've had in a long time?), was it the clubs' fault that Martin Gleeson turned up for training vexed?


And what happened when he did that?
Wigg'n 
RankPostsTeam
International Star7528
JoinedServiceReputation
May 11 201113 years209th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
8th May 24 08:414th May 24 14:27LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:39 pm  
Egg Chasing wrote:
And what happened when he did that?


If I turned up to work vexed I would expect to be fired as well.
jonh 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner20180No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 27 200321 years47th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th May 24 15:3914th May 24 14:27LINK
Milestone Posts
20000
25000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
educating League Freak on all things rugby league
Signature
Unofficially the most boring poster on Cherry and White.

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:39 pm  
You couldn’t make it up could you.

Looking like he will be sacked and also deported.

Wonder if we wanted him next year he would be sacked? I doubt it.

I feel for the lad as he is a lovely bloke and it looks like he will pay a massive price for his stupidity.

Only positive is that if he is sacked the club has set a pressident and that anyone convicted of the same offence will also receive the same threatment.

It does make me wonder though, could there be grounds for him to sue the club given they have stood by others in the same position recently.
DaveO 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200122 years317th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
4th May 24 14:0028th May 22 23:44LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Chester
Signature
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20
Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
Moderator

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:43 pm  
Wigg'n wrote:
If someone on my team at work got caught drink-driving is it my/the businesses fault? It wouldn't even enter my mind that it's a workplace culture issue.

Why is it a Wigan problem that TT has put himself in this position? Yes he is a public figure and represents the club but the responsibility to behave off the field starts and ends with him.


It's the clubs responsibility to promote a culture whereby such behaviour is not tolerated because as a professional sporting club it requires its athletes to be fit and look after themselves as regards their diet. To borrow a phrase off a poster on the other forum, you can't out train a bad diet. A club that tolerates this even if none of the players break the law is just not professional. There are plenty of jobs where what you do restricts how much alcohol (if any) you can drink when you are not at your place of employment from taxi driving to being a Doctor. The fact our club seems to tolerate its players behaving as if they are a pub team on tour is not good.

Due to the high publicity surrounding professional players even though they are the ones who were stupid, it does reflect badly on the club especially when this is the third instance in a short space of time of actual drink driving and there have been other drink related issues. It makes it look as if it tolerates such behaviour. Not good. It needs to do more than just say it has awareness programs or whatever. If it has and they are ignored like this then they are not working and it needs to make it plain in contracts such behaviour is not acceptable specifying what sanctions it will take.

As to Radlinski getting the blame for this as others have posted, both he and IL are equally at fault. Delegation has never been a defence allowing the senior person to abdicate responsibility for the failure of others.
DaveO 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator14395No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200122 years317th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
4th May 24 14:0028th May 22 23:44LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Chester
Signature
Last league derby at Central Park 5/9/1999: Wigan 28 St. Helens 20
Last league derby at Knowsley Road 2/4/2010: St. Helens 10 Wigan 18
Moderator

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:47 pm  
Cruncher wrote:
Something you've been dying to see for a long, long time, but haven't been able to say openly because of how ridiculous it would have made you look.


The only ones looking ridiculous are those who suggest IL can't sell because no one has made an offer when the club is not for sale.
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach15195No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 14 200618 years192nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th May 24 11:2312th May 24 06:50LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:51 pm  
DaveO wrote:
The only ones looking ridiculous are those who suggest IL can't sell because no one has made an offer when the club is not for sale.


At least be honest enough to admit that any amount of disruption caused by the club being put up for sale will be worth it for you.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Cherry_&_White, exiled Warrior, Google Feedfetcher, Jason65, MadDogg, moto748, NickyKiss, nidger, Wandering Wiganer and 154 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Wigan Warriors


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
KaeruJim
9021
14m
Academy Scholorship womens reserves PDRL teams
GP1
13
33m
Smith out ASAP
KaeruJim
431
36m
Shopping list for 2025
fosdyke99
1955
38m
Am I missing something
KaeruJim
97
38m
Wakefield Trinity Heritage Podcast - Season 3
TimmySmith
35
41m
Attending Forum
Willzay
15
46m
RD 11 Catalan Dragons A
KaeruJim
144
50m
Squad 2024
faxcar
423
Recent
Rumours thread
FOREVERTRIN
1314
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
32s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
58357
39s
Attending Forum
Willzay
15
47s
Bradford next
Shifty Cat
154
50s
Best Great Britain XiII to never play in nRL
Uncle Rico
7
55s
London Away
BP1
329
56s
Wakefield Trinity Heritage Podcast - Season 3
TimmySmith
35
57s
Am I missing something
KaeruJim
97
1m
Mago
Jason65
7
1m
Sam Eseh
Jason65
23
2m
Recruitment rumours and links
Uncle Rico
2466
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Swinton Lions
Dr Dreadnoug
7
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 12
ocdstephen
3
TODAY
Corey Hall
Khlav Kalash
2
TODAY
Well Done
CasAttack
1
TODAY
Hudds and HKR
Lower Crease
2
TODAY
Katherine Jenkins OBE to perform at Wembley Stadium on Rugby Leagues Finals Day
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Mago
Jason65
7
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Challenge Cup SF
sir adrian m
6
TODAY
Dons v Batley Sunday 19/5/24 3pm
Wilf Grimsha
4
TODAY
Support today
Trojan Horse
12
TODAY
BBC
Khlav Kalash
12
TODAY
Ticket for the final
REDWHITEANDB
47
TODAY
London Broncos First Win Of 2024 Over Awful Hull FC
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Semi Final
Hangerman2
7
TODAY
"I didnt see that coming"
Hangerman2
7
TODAY
Catalans Dragons Nil The Rhinos To Go Joint Top
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Katherine Jenkins OBE to perfo..
268
London Broncos First Win Of 20..
553
Catalans Dragons Nil The Rhino..
619
Wigan Warriors Sensational Sec..
761
Leigh Leopards Destroy Salford..
975
Warrington Wolves Frustrate Hu..
986
Widnes Vikings Win Thriller Ag..
1704
Leigh Leopards and Castleford ..
2098
Simple Rhinos Victory Compound..
1458
Stunning Second Half Sees Wiga..
1626
Leeds Rhinos Battle Hard for W..
3368
Salford Red Devils Battle Hard..
3208
Leigh Leopards Masterclass Des..
3161
Saints Snatch Win With Lomax D..
3682
Wakefield Trinity Too Strong F..
4111
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.59M +12,212 80,04914,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Fri 17th May
National Rugby League 2024-R11
09:00
Canberra
v
Canterbury
11:05
Manly
v
Brisbane
 Sat 18th May
National Rugby League 2024-R11
06:00
Gold Coast
v
Newcastle
08:30
Cronulla
v
Sydney
10:45
Souths
v
NQL Cowboys
Womens Challenge Cup 2024-R5
11:15
St.HelensW
v
York V
Challenge Cup 2024-R8
13:15
Hull KR
v
Wigan
Championship 2024-R8
15:00
Toulouse
v
Barrow
 Sun 19th May
National Rugby League 2024-R11
04:50
NZ Warriors
v
Penrith
07:05
Melbourne
v
Parramatta
09:25
Wests
v
Dolphins
Womens Challenge Cup 2024-R5
12:30
WiganW
v
LeedsW
League One 2024-R8
13:00
Cornwall
v
Oldham
14:00
Midlands
v
Newcastle
14:30
Crusaders
v
Keighley
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Sat 18th May
CC2024
13:15
Hull KR-Wigan
WOMCC2024
11:15
St.HelensW-York V
Sun 19th May
CC2024
15:15
Huddersfield-Warrington
WOMCC2024
12:30
WiganW-LeedsW
Fri 24th May
WSL2024
17:00
St.HelensW-LeedsW
SL
20:00
Castleford-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Leigh
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Leeds
Sat 25th May
SL
17:30
Catalans-Warrington
Sun 26th May
SL
15:00
LondonB-Hull KR
SL
15:00
Salford-Wigan
Fri 31st May
SL
19:45
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Leeds-Castleford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Catalans
Sat 1st Jun
SL
15:00
Warrington-Wigan
SL
17:30
Hull KR-Leigh
Sun 2nd Jun
SL
15:00
Salford-LondonB
Sat 8th Jun
1895
17:00
Wakefield-Sheffield
Fri 14th Jun
SL
20:00
Castleford-Wigan
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Huddersfield
Sun 12th May
SL 11 LondonB34-18Hull FC
WSL2024 3 Wire W10-6BarrowW
WSL2024 3 York V10-16LeedsW
L1 8 Midlands22-24Cornwall
1895 5 Bradford14-40Wakefield
1895 5 York18-28Sheffield
NRL 10 Sydney38-18NZ Warriors
NRL 10 Gold Coast20-18NQL Cowboys
Sat 11th May
SL 11 Huddersfield6-48Wigan
SL 11 Catalans26-0Leeds
WSL2024 3 Hudds W0-102WiganW
WSL2024 3 FeatherstoneW4-58St.HelensW
NRL 10 Wests14-20Newcastle
NRL 10 St.George28-14Souths
NRL 10 Melbourne18-25Cronulla
Fri 10th May
SL 11 Castleford4-60St.Helens
SL 11 Leigh40-12Salford
NRL 10 Parramatta14-30Brisbane
NRL 10 Penrith16-10Canterbury
Thu 9th May
SL 11 Warrington20-8Hull KR
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 10 312 132 180 16
St.Helens 11 289 114 175 16
Warrington 11 286 143 143 16
Catalans 11 244 152 92 16
Hull KR 11 262 169 93 14
Salford 11 210 226 -16 14
 
Leeds 11 204 198 6 12
Huddersfield 11 240 229 11 10
Leigh 10 228 184 44 7
Castleford 11 184 352 -168 5
Hull FC 11 122 386 -264 2
LondonB 11 116 412 -296 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 7 252 72 180 14
Sheffield 7 224 98 126 12
Widnes 7 190 97 93 12
Featherstone 7 192 132 60 10
Bradford 7 145 129 16 8
Toulouse 7 158 130 28 6
 
Doncaster 7 156 168 -12 6
Swinton 7 140 154 -14 6
Whitehaven 7 133 189 -56 6
Barrow 7 102 207 -105 6
Batley 7 109 154 -45 4
Halifax 7 94 199 -105 4
York 7 113 189 -76 2
Dewsbury 7 115 205 -90 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
KaeruJim
9021
14m
Academy Scholorship womens reserves PDRL teams
GP1
13
33m
Smith out ASAP
KaeruJim
431
36m
Shopping list for 2025
fosdyke99
1955
38m
Am I missing something
KaeruJim
97
38m
Wakefield Trinity Heritage Podcast - Season 3
TimmySmith
35
41m
Attending Forum
Willzay
15
46m
RD 11 Catalan Dragons A
KaeruJim
144
50m
Squad 2024
faxcar
423
Recent
Rumours thread
FOREVERTRIN
1314
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
32s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
58357
39s
Attending Forum
Willzay
15
47s
Bradford next
Shifty Cat
154
50s
Best Great Britain XiII to never play in nRL
Uncle Rico
7
55s
London Away
BP1
329
56s
Wakefield Trinity Heritage Podcast - Season 3
TimmySmith
35
57s
Am I missing something
KaeruJim
97
1m
Mago
Jason65
7
1m
Sam Eseh
Jason65
23
2m
Recruitment rumours and links
Uncle Rico
2466
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Swinton Lions
Dr Dreadnoug
7
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 12
ocdstephen
3
TODAY
Corey Hall
Khlav Kalash
2
TODAY
Well Done
CasAttack
1
TODAY
Hudds and HKR
Lower Crease
2
TODAY
Katherine Jenkins OBE to perform at Wembley Stadium on Rugby Leagues Finals Day
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Mago
Jason65
7
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Challenge Cup SF
sir adrian m
6
TODAY
Dons v Batley Sunday 19/5/24 3pm
Wilf Grimsha
4
TODAY
Support today
Trojan Horse
12
TODAY
BBC
Khlav Kalash
12
TODAY
Ticket for the final
REDWHITEANDB
47
TODAY
London Broncos First Win Of 2024 Over Awful Hull FC
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Semi Final
Hangerman2
7
TODAY
"I didnt see that coming"
Hangerman2
7
TODAY
Catalans Dragons Nil The Rhinos To Go Joint Top
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Katherine Jenkins OBE to perfo..
268
London Broncos First Win Of 20..
553
Catalans Dragons Nil The Rhino..
619
Wigan Warriors Sensational Sec..
761
Leigh Leopards Destroy Salford..
975
Warrington Wolves Frustrate Hu..
986
Widnes Vikings Win Thriller Ag..
1704
Leigh Leopards and Castleford ..
2098
Simple Rhinos Victory Compound..
1458
Stunning Second Half Sees Wiga..
1626
Leeds Rhinos Battle Hard for W..
3368
Salford Red Devils Battle Hard..
3208
Leigh Leopards Masterclass Des..
3161
Saints Snatch Win With Lomax D..
3682
Wakefield Trinity Too Strong F..
4111


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!