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Re: Club Takeover
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:56 pm
Posted by Greg Florimos Boots on Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:56 pm
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chris_smith wrote:
I thought Dad and daughter would agree....

Instead of trying to be derogatory and making assumptions around the consortium perhaps it would be better to understand what the plan is, what they bring etc....

Still I expected nothing more from you as the lead brownstuff stirrer


I think you might just edge me in that department lately. :D

What is the plan and what do they bring? I do think they should be interacted with but maybe the problem is the people that are involved and their history with the club? As mentioned I don't think 200k per season is anywhere near enough investment to give control of the club to 10 people(The reality is that it is more like 5). If we were talking more like 1m per season then you could see there should be a rush to talk to them as that sort of money could at a push make us in a position to think SL could be a possibility. 200k is still a long way short of even taking us full time.

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Re: Club Takeover
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:02 pm
Posted by Greg Florimos Boots on Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:02 pm
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HXSparky wrote:
Look at the confirmation statement here... https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06190029/filing-history Shows shareholders as at 4th April.


I would presume a couple of people on there are already part of this takeover bid. Id also presume that Tony Abbott is not going to just give up his shares and will want quite a bit of money in return for them and thats before even starting on some of the other high shareholders.

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Re: Club Takeover
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:05 pm
Posted by Officeboy on Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:05 pm
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Greg Florimos Boots wrote:
200k is still a long way short of even taking us full time.


It's 200k more than we'd have otherwise GFB.

Not sure how the distribution works for next year but we won't be up there in the big pay-out slots so there'll be a smaller budget than last year... and it pains me to say it but there are no pots being broken in other income generating activities at the moment are there?
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Re: Club Takeover
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:37 pm
Posted by Bubba on Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:37 pm
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Officeboy wrote:
It's 200k more than we'd have otherwise GFB.

Not sure how the distribution works for next year but we won't be up there in the big pay-out slots so there'll be a smaller budget than last year... and it pains me to say it but there are no pots being broken in other income generating activities at the moment are there?


There is also the question of what the £200k would be used for? Purely the playing squad (short term vision)? Investing in the infrastructure (long term vision)? A bit of both?
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Re: Club Takeover
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:11 pm
Posted by Greg Florimos Boots on Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:11 pm
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Officeboy wrote:
It's 200k more than we'd have otherwise GFB.

Not sure how the distribution works for next year but we won't be up there in the big pay-out slots so there'll be a smaller budget than last year... and it pains me to say it but there are no pots being broken in other income generating activities at the moment are there?


Yeah I totally agree especially regarding the commercial side of the club and how it has been run this season but hopefully steps are been taken to improve that but only time will tell with that one. It still begs the question of is 200k per season enough to hand control over to 10 people. We all know what happened at Leigh when similar happened but the difference would be when it all breaks down(obviously been a bit presumptious but 10 people with egos and money could be a recipe for disaster) would we be left with one person with the capacity to pump in a couple of million or so.

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Re: Club Takeover
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:26 pm
Posted by chris_smith on Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:26 pm
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Greg Florimos Boots wrote:
Yeah I totally agree especially regarding the commercial side of the club and how it has been run this season but hopefully steps are been taken to improve that but only time will tell with that one. It still begs the question of is 200k per season enough to hand control over to 10 people. We all know what happened at Leigh when similar happened but the difference would be when it all breaks down(obviously been a bit presumptious but 10 people with egos and money could be a recipe for disaster) would we be left with one person with the capacity to pump in a couple of million or so.


Let's get away from the 200k EXTRA each year but instead also look at what else they bring in terms of the day to day, the commercial acumen, links with the local amateur side, fresh commercial avenues... None of which will be forthcoming in the current set up... So let's just stay as we are eh?? This could change the club for the better but let's just write it off straight away because everyone knows who it is and what the plans are right.....?
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Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:17 pm
Posted by Greg Florimos Boots on Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:17 pm
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chris_smith wrote:
Let's get away from the 200k EXTRA each year but instead also look at what else they bring in terms of the day to day, the commercial acumen, links with the local amateur side, fresh commercial avenues... None of which will be forthcoming in the current set up... So let's just stay as we are eh?? This could change the club for the better but let's just write it off straight away because everyone knows who it is and what the plans are right.....?


What do they bring and who are they? You decided to make this public so for the people who don't know its only best they know the details to form a fair viewpoint.

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Re: Club Takeover
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:20 pm
Posted by Fuzzy Duck on Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:20 pm
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Greg seems happy for Halifax RL to just plod along in the Championship forever as the old fans slowly die off and the young potentially "new" fans will never become interested in paying £17 to watch Barrow or Rochdale.

Something has got to happen to take this club forward and at least be realistic challengers for Super League.
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Re: Club Takeover
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:33 pm
Posted by Greg Florimos Boots on Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:33 pm
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Fuzzy Duck wrote:
Greg seems happy for Halifax RL to just plod along in the Championship forever as the old fans slowly die off and the young potentially "new" fans will never become interested in paying £17 to watch Barrow or Rochdale.

Something has got to happen to take this club forward and at least be realistic challengers for Super League.


Thought you might be along. :wink:

Seriously though I agree something has got to happen. This "takeover" will make us no more nearer to SL than we are now in my opinion because I do not believe that everyone involved has the clubs best interests at heart and are doing it for personal gratification. I do agree though that things have to change.

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Re: Club Takeover
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:38 pm
Posted by chris_smith on Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:38 pm
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Greg Florimos Boots wrote:
Thought you might be along. :wink:

Seriously though I agree something has got to happen. This "takeover" will make us no more nearer to SL than we are now in my opinion because I do not believe that everyone involved has the clubs best interests at heart and are doing it for personal gratification. I do agree though that things have to change.


Everything posted on here is in the main someone's opinion.... HOWEVER my opinion on the consortium differs to yours because I think they are a good bunch of men who certainly have Halifax RLFC's best interests at heart and because of a narcissistic shareholder who can't allow someone else to take control of his "play thing" decides his only option is to cajole another shareholder into dismissing this opportunity out of hand without even listening to their plan. Halifax have been in freefall for several years, with bad stewardship mostly responsible in my opinion and it's no different now. Messrs Croad and Abbott had their chance and almost completely fooked the whole thing up.... And if those 2 had anything but their own interests at heart then I'm Ghandi.....

It is a disgrace that a group of 10 pretty prominent local guys are been fobbed off and ignored, which is why I'll do all I can to get them heard... They're a decent bunch who can take the club forward, fans will like what they hear, I'm sure of it, but yet again everything is being done to make sure that this potential deal is swept under the carpet and the fans are none the wiser, yet again...

I'm at a complete loss as to why the same shareholders were tight lipped and had no voice when Croad and Abbott wanted to mortgage the shay up to the hilt, cos that was great business.

This group are switched on, clever businessmen who want Halifax to prosper and move forward and will utilise their business acumen and cash to try push the club to be better, ran properly with a commercial function that delivers fresh and sustainable revenue streams... That with the extra c200k each year is going to make a huge difference and I'm open to anyone that can tell me that it wont....
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