Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 3:28 pm  

Sorry W71
I think they are but I'm not using stats to argue against my eyes. They've played nobody since early season but a busted Cas in the cup. Stats aren't a fair reflection until the season is balanced and all the results are there for comparison.
I've said it several times...Saints run in to rnd 23 is tough. Let's reflect stats after rnd 23. Even then it's not completely balanced because Saints have a Magic gimme.

Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 4:08 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Sorry W71
I think they are but I'm not using stats to argue against my eyes. They've played nobody since early season but a busted Cas in the cup. Stats aren't a fair reflection until the season is balanced and all the results are there for comparison.
I've said it several times...Saints run in to rnd 23 is tough. Let's reflect stats after rnd 23. Even then it's not completely balanced because Saints have a Magic gimme.

What on Earth are you on about, we’ve played every team in SL? You say ‘let’s reflect stats after rnd 23’ because you hope that Saints lose to Wire and Wigan (we’ll definitely beat Warrington) and it knocks us down. We’ve both played 15 games, stats are a fair reflection, you just don’t want them to be because they don’t suit.

Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 4:11 pm  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

Fact is, Saints worst performances or defeats (Leeds away.and Catalan at home) have coincided with Barba being out or nullified as much as poss.

Fact is, Barba scored 2 against Leeds so he was hardly nullified. You don’t mention the Hull FC game, we won easily and Barba was out.

Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 4:43 pm  

AS108 wrote:

What on Earth are you on about, we’ve played every team in SL? You say ‘let’s reflect stats after rnd 23’ because you hope that Saints lose to Wire and Wigan (we’ll definitely beat Warrington) and it knocks us down. We’ve both played 15 games, stats are a fair reflection, you just don’t want them to be because they don’t suit.

If you're that thick explaining will make little difference.

Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 5:21 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I think you are completely mis-reading that. I was one of those who ranted about the refeereeing in the game, but none of that was anything to do with Warrington really. I was looking forward to a good game of rugby, enjoyed the first half hour and fully expected them to tire and Wire to win by 20 ish second half. Then for me the ref had a major paddy and destroyed one of the two teams. Toronto didn't react well to that by any means, but they were justified in feeling hard done to initially. The red in particular was the softest card I've ever seen. If that happened to a Wire player in a big game, you wouldn't be happy, it was nothing. Up to the incident under the sticks it was a niggly encounter and Warrington were as bad as Toronto with the hair pulling on Kaye and Simms and the constant sledging. Thaler then just gave everything against Toronto as if it had been all them. Like when a ref in juniors gets annoyed with a team and refs them and coaches the other team.

Warrington are on a good run and I said at the start of the season on here that you'd be in the top 4 and challenging. But some of your fans are the emotional types who wanted Price out after 5 games, but who are now suggesting the treble is a formality. We've been here before, same as most seasons since Moran arrived. Warrington fans do get very arrogant and smug when you sniff a chance of glory, perhaps understandable and similar to Cas last year. I've heard some pearlers this week on here and Twitter. Saints being so bad that Barba is the only reason we're top 8, SL is already over, you'll go the rest of the season unbeaten and a Wigan/Warrington final an inevitability. It's all good though, makes SL a more exciting competition.

Fans of a club playing an improving style of rugby and on a winning run after a dreadful previous season are happy, how very strange. Smug! Don't be foolish that's the nature of sport. Nobody (except the duck) is saying what you are accusing us of, and quite frankly that doesn't count.

Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 6:13 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

If you're that thick explaining will make little difference.

Please do explain, because you’re talking rubbish as usual. If you can’t see the value in stats when both teams have played 15 games in all comps then it’s you who’s thick.

Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 7:19 pm  

Is you beating us more/less/same definite as you beating Wakefield earlier on this season?

Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 7:49 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

Is you beating us more/less/same definite as you beating Wakefield earlier on this season?

As definite as us beating you at the start of the season was.

Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 8:30 pm  

AS108 wrote:

Please do explain, because you’re talking rubbish as usual. If you can’t see the value in stats when both teams have played 15 games in all comps then it’s you who’s thick.

The shorter the span, the less accurate the stat...plus identical comparison are required to measure change.
2 very define reasons.
That's it.
Like it or lump it.

Re: League Express. : Tue May 15, 2018 8:43 pm  

If it's a Saints "gimme". Why do you have a Widnes win?

rubber duckie wrote:

Sorry W71
I think they are but I'm not using stats to argue against my eyes. They've played nobody since early season but a busted Cas in the cup. Stats aren't a fair reflection until the season is balanced and all the results are there for comparison.
I've said it several times...Saints run in to rnd 23 is tough. Let's reflect stats after rnd 23. Even then it's not completely balanced because Saints have a Magic gimme.

[quote="rubber duckie"]a) Crowd (St James Park Capacity 52,405): 66750 (42000+24750)
b) Score and Winning team: Wigan 18 v 21 Warrington
c) First try (Wire player):Atkins
d) Time of first try: 20min
e) Last try (any team, player not time):Bateman
f) Kicks over the sticks (combined):8

g) Widnes v St Helens h)2
Castleford v Leeds a)2
Salford v Catalans a)2
Wakefield v Huddersfield h)2
Hull KR v Hull FC h)2