Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:50 am  

In one of IL's first fan forums he asked us if we as a club needed to be nicer. This was on the back of salary cap breaches and IL believed that we had to be squeaky clean in future to make us more well liked in the game, and the fans seemed to agree with this. 10 years later and we have generally been good, a couple of lapses with Wane's comments to bash them in Australia, which were pretty much hot air and not (unfortunately in my opinion) acted on in the Roosters game, along with the Flower incident which was generally seen to be well handled by the club, IL even saying that he wouldn't have wanted us to win the match in such circumstances. We have been a positive influence on the game generally over the last 10 years, continuing to produce more players than anyone else which shores up other teams in the game, along with going to Aus and London, while producing a generally young, British team rather then be a pension fund for over the hill Aussies.

And guess what, we are still the most hated club in the league despite despicable assaults on our players from the likes of Westwood and Ferres.

So maybe it is time for IL and his team to stand up for us and publically create about decisions like Clubb on Saturday, the extremely dubious semi final officiating and the Leeds try in the 2015 Grand Final. I am sick of the club saying that the best team won, guess what 14+6 from Tony's try = 20 points which would have given us a win on Saturday. Don't find many people criticising the Saints team from the noughties for being outplayed for 70 minutes and going on to win - instead labelling it "Never write off the Saints".

Also Wane needs to stand up and actually prove his tough man approach rather then use it as a soundbite, can you imagine the Leeds team with their hairy arsed pros or someone like Wilkin letting Sneyd run the game in a dinner suit on Saturday. As another poster mentioned Shaun Long was a master at this. We have some tough hombres in the team - MM, Bateman, Leluia, Shaun - one of them should have been instructed to sort Sneyd out, our game is too sanitised and we wouldn't be any more unpopular so what does that matter.

Re: Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:34 pm  

I'm sort of with you on this. Was saying to my brother before KO on Saturday all we had to do was pressurise Sneyd and then I'd be happy to back our pace against their power, but what did we do? We gave him literally 20m to place his kicks where he liked. In the NRL every kicker gets flattened, every time. Over here it's a different story and a much easier ride for half backs.

Re: Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:56 pm  

Finfin wrote:

In one of IL's first fan forums he asked us if we as a club needed to be nicer. This was on the back of salary cap breaches and IL believed that we had to be squeaky clean in future to make us more well liked in the game, and the fans seemed to agree with this. 10 years later and we have generally been good, a couple of lapses with Wane's comments to bash them in Australia, which were pretty much hot air and not (unfortunately in my opinion) acted on in the Roosters game, along with the Flower incident which was generally seen to be well handled by the club, IL even saying that he wouldn't have wanted us to win the match in such circumstances. We have been a positive influence on the game generally over the last 10 years, continuing to produce more players than anyone else which shores up other teams in the game, along with going to Aus and London, while producing a generally young, British team rather then be a pension fund for over the hill Aussies.

And guess what, we are still the most hated club in the league despite despicable assaults on our players from the likes of Westwood and Ferres.

So maybe it is time for IL and his team to stand up for us and publically create about decisions like Clubb on Saturday, the extremely dubious semi final officiating and the Leeds try in the 2015 Grand Final. I am sick of the club saying that the best team won, guess what 14+6 from Tony's try = 20 points which would have given us a win on Saturday. Don't find many people criticising the Saints team from the noughties for being outplayed for 70 minutes and going on to win - instead labelling it "Never write off the Saints".

Also Wane needs to stand up and actually prove his tough man approach rather then use it as a soundbite, can you imagine the Leeds team with their hairy arsed pros or someone like Wilkin letting Sneyd run the game in a dinner suit on Saturday. As another poster mentioned Shaun Long was a master at this. We have some tough hombres in the team - MM, Bateman, Leluia, Shaun - one of them should have been instructed to sort Sneyd out, our game is too sanitised and we wouldn't be any more unpopular so what does that matter.

Did you watch the Hull v Leeds semi final?
The Clubb try should have been given, but in the build up to the Burgess try Marshalls foot touched the dead ball line and it should have been a drop out with us giving Hull the ball.

Re: Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:06 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Did you watch the Hull v Leeds semi final?
The Clubb try should have been given, but in the build up to the Burgess try Marshalls foot touched the dead ball line and it should have been a drop out with us giving Hull the ball.

But there were 3 PTB's and a penalty after that happened so you can't say that Burgess try was a direct result of that

Re: Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:21 pm  

It doesn't matter how nice we are as a club. The collective "RL Family" will always hold a major chip on their shoulder regarding us, mostly through sheer jealousy and bitterness. I have tried to reason with some of them over the years (mainly the small town Yorkshire folk), complete waste of breath.

Re: Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:56 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Did you watch the Hull v Leeds semi final?
The Clubb try should have been given, but in the build up to the Burgess try Marshalls foot touched the dead ball line and it should have been a drop out with us giving Hull the ball.

Surely that's a 20 metre restart for us as he gathered the ball with his foot on the line - therefore the ball went out from the kick.

Re: Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:14 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Did you watch the Hull v Leeds semi final?
The Clubb try should have been given, but in the build up to the Burgess try Marshalls foot touched the dead ball line and it should have been a drop out with us giving Hull the ball.

Your right the ref was just inconsistent though. Petty I know but in the first half Burgess was obstucted every time going for the ball, we did it first time in the second half and penalty. It was a penalty but those before should have been also. The Houghton knock on when he gave our knock on. Little things but build up in a close game.

Re: Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:58 pm  

Pieman wrote:

Your right the ref was just inconsistent though.

For me, Bentham has been pretty consistent for a number of years with regards to Wigan. Consistently bad.

Re: Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:01 pm  

P-J wrote:

Surely that's a 20 metre restart for us as he gathered the ball with his foot on the line - therefore the ball went out from the kick.

They changed that rule this year, it's now a drop out, got to let the ball bounce out

Re: Are we too nice? : Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:23 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

They changed that rule this year, it's now a drop out, got to let the ball bounce out

seen it done this year though