[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:06 pm  

Builth Wells Wire wrote:

2 backs on the bench?
Toby King
George King
Sandow
Bailey

Well to be fair, Toby coming off the bench as a backrower, loose, he's done bloody well. I've been meaning to start a thread on him. I definitely think he can be something special, he's got a cracking head on him and since getting a run in the team he's looked more than a shirt filler, making some good attacking options.

Just a bit naive in defence at centre

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:14 pm  

I think if Wigan use their structures at the right times, eg shortage of defenders on one side- use the multi attacker move, and then chuck it around a bit like they did last 20 mins v us, it's going to cause us a lot of problems. My main concern though is the power and size advantage they have in the forwards. If we use that swarm defence, similar to Klopp's gegenpressen like we did in the first half v Hull in the CC final, then we have a great chance. Personally I would have Wigan as the slight favourites.

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:02 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Well to be fair, Toby coming off the bench as a backrower, loose, he's done bloody well. I've been meaning to start a thread on him. I definitely think he can be something special, he's got a cracking head on him and since getting a run in the team he's looked more than a shirt filler, making some good attacking options.

Just a bit naive in defence at centre

He is a real threat with ball in hand and I am not sure he will be so bad defensively now, he looks comfortable in the team now (thought that since he forced the drop out against Wigan), like he thinks he belongs there and I for one don't disagree. I really think he is destined for big things in the game.

I think with Toby King able to cover a fair few position we can have sandow on the bench if fit. George King and Bailey to spell Hill and Sims (who has also been excellent recently).

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:07 pm  

Gazwire wrote:

I think if Wigan use their structures at the right times, eg shortage of defenders on one side- use the multi attacker move, and then chuck it around a bit like they did last 20 mins v us, it's going to cause us a lot of problems. My main concern though is the power and size advantage they have in the forwards. If we use that swarm defence, similar to Klopp's gegenpressen like we did in the first half v Hull in the CC final, then we have a great chance. Personally I would have Wigan as the slight favourites.

We've certainly been more dangerous with ball in hand these last few weeks but Wire have thrown far more at us then any other team these past few seasons so we may play it a bit tighter.

It'll be interesting to see what bench you put out. If it's the same as last Thursday then that should be an area we'll have an advantage with us having a bit more experience on there. On the flip side of that your starting front row could cause us all sorts of problems and that may lead to us chasing our tales for the rest of the game.

It's an intriguing match up.

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:17 pm  

Gazwire wrote:

I think if Wigan use their structures at the right times, eg shortage of defenders on one side- use the multi attacker move, and then chuck it around a bit like they did last 20 mins v us, it's going to cause us a lot of problems. My main concern though is the power and size advantage they have in the forwards. If we use that swarm defence, similar to Klopp's gegenpressen like we did in the first half v Hull in the CC final, then we have a great chance. Personally I would have Wigan as the slight favourites.

I'm not over-concerned with their forward pack.
I think we can more than hold our own.
We did until the brain-fart of a last 20 mins against them previously.

Their defence and (boring and predictable) structures are their key assets.
Oh yes - and their 3rd man tackling, lieing on and high shots.

Seriously we need to pressure the halves and keep Bateman and Gelling quiet.
We play a fast game down the middle with good kicking (high and also tactical on the 4th or 5th).

I know Lineham has become the prodigal son for a few but he's still slow at turning and partially switched off against Saints, getting caught in the wrong position leading to their long range try. That's one of the few weaknesses. (No way can I ever see this team getting caught like the last 20 against the goons).

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:22 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

We've certainly been more dangerous with ball in hand these last few weeks but Wire have thrown far more at us then any other team these past few seasons so we may play it a bit tighter.

It'll be interesting to see what bench you put out. If it's the same as last Thursday then that should be an area we'll have an advantage with us having a bit more experience on there. On the flip side of that your starting front row could cause us all sorts of problems and that may lead to us chasing our tales for the rest of the game.

It's an intriguing match up.

Nicky,
How do you guys rate Tierney? He showed he can finish well and is stronger than he looks
I'm relieved it's not Manfredi against Russell.
Same goes for the Lineham match up

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:33 pm  

Bailey & Flower on the pitch could lead to some colourful entertainment.

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:39 pm  

ninearches wrote:

Bailey & Flower on the pitch could lead to some colourful entertainment.

Yeah thinking this myself

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:41 pm  

fez1 wrote:

Nicky,
How do you guys rate Tierney? He showed he can finish well and is stronger than he looks
I'm relieved it's not Manfredi against Russell.
Same goes for the Lineham match up

Personally my heart is in my mouth whenever the ball goes near him but maybe that's a bit harsh. He has errors in him and physically isn't quite up to the task IMO.

I say all that yet since he had a stinker at Hull four weeks back he's been very good. He took his first try brilliantly against Hull and he is a good broken field runner. If I was Tony Smith though he'd be my biggest target to be truthful.

He's certainly not in his dad's class (but then apart from 7 or 8 in the last 100 years who is).

Re: No need to change the team : Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:39 pm  

Gazwire wrote:

I think if Wigan use their structures at the right times, eg shortage of defenders on one side- use the multi attacker move, and then chuck it around a bit like they did last 20 mins v us, it's going to cause us a lot of problems. My main concern though is the power and size advantage they have in the forwards. If we use that swarm defence, similar to Klopp's gegenpressen like we did in the first half v Hull in the CC final, then we have a great chance. Personally I would have Wigan as the slight favourites.

They do load up blind/open side of the play the ball when attacking from 30m out and we will need to number up correctly. Cost us at least one try in the recent games. The way we defend also makes us vulnerable to a ball that's shipped wide quickly and early in the count.

I hope Bailey plays as we will need his grunt. Philbin just won't do it.