Re: Penalties conceded. : Mon May 23, 2016 3:26 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

Personally, I think Pelissier should have got ten minutes for faking injury, or at the very least made to go off for a compulsory concussion check. Kirmond reached out but there was minimal contact with him, but he faked immediate concussion in a way that I haven't seen since the last time someone brushed past Danny Maguire. If he'd reacted to the contact he actually had, as opposed to going immediately limp, with eyes closed, I'm not even sure a penalty would have been given. They scored from the next set.

Pelissier is one of the most irritating players in Super League. Would love to see him in a Wakefield shirt.

Agree, don't believe he made contact at all. But in the lead up to the resulting try, (2nd, Cat try) a Catalan player runs straight at Hall and takes him out, so hard and direct Hall had to tackle him as part of his defence. Should have been no try, obstruction.

Re: Penalties conceded. : Mon May 23, 2016 5:37 pm  

Next time we play take note of who makes an attempt to get up out of our side and the only one I see do it is Miller when he has been tackled the rest appear to just wait until the opposition get off them

Re: Penalties conceded. : Mon May 23, 2016 5:57 pm  

When we play away from home and are placed behind the sticks where we don't see forward passes, offsides and knock ons as well as the home fans.
When we play at home we choose to go behind the sticks and benefit the away fans with a better view of what is happening, allowing them to 'help' the referee.
So the home advantage thing does not apply for us. Our share of 50:50 decisions just doesn't happen.

Re: Penalties conceded. : Mon May 23, 2016 6:30 pm  

Mr Bliss wrote:

When we play away from home and are placed behind the sticks where we don't see forward passes, offsides and knock ons as well as the home fans.
When we play at home we choose to go behind the sticks and benefit the away fans with a better view of what is happening, allowing them to 'help' the referee.
So the home advantage thing does not apply for us. Our share of 50:50 decisions just doesn't happen.

I'm not too sure about that tbh. Look at the much vaunted Rhinos home record this season - even with their noisy side stand.

In terms of penalties, it's only really the offsides but if the ref pinged every single offside, RL games would become very dull, very quickly. I trust them in the main to ensure that neither team has an advantage over another with offsides tbh.

Re: Penalties conceded. : Mon May 23, 2016 7:44 pm  

senoj wrote:

Just watched a re run of the game this morning and picked up on a comment made in commentary that we have conceded the most penalties in Super League this year. To be fair this did not surprise me one bit as we seem to lose momentum by giving away needless penalties each and every game and in my view this has been the case for many years regardless of who are the playing personnel or who is the coach.
My question is why is this the case and why can't a succession of coaches get this ironed out?
Personally I don't subscribe to the bent refs, small time club not wanted in Super league brigade, more that we are one if not the lowest spending and resourced clubs in the league and as such have to push the boundaries of play to secure any advantage we can during the game to level out the playing field as a result of being at the bottom end of the super league hierarchy.

Finally, just have to say awesome day yesterday, thank you To all involved, long may it continue.

Sorry to disagree.....but the number of times the sky team commented o how we were unlucky to be penalised or unfortunate not to get a penalty in the game yesterday speaks for itself. E.g. Carney holding down about 30 seconds before Simon's stupid strip,2 blatant strips by Catalan not penalised,their try that was a knock on, tackling Matty without the ball,Taylor not square and dumping bjb in the in goal(then again he could standard he wanted all game). just a few I can think of off the top of my head. You go on thinking there is no agenda against us but how often do you think the 6th placed team would be the most penalised, I would say it was usually a team near the bottom......where the rfl would like us to be

Re: Penalties conceded. : Mon May 23, 2016 9:13 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Personally, I think it's to do with smartness and knowing how to play the system - which tends to be a finessing skill that good teams add to their skillset, after they've got the basics right. We're in that process now, so I would fully expect to see us playing a bit more cannily next season. For example, did anyone notice how Les Cats were able to hang on endlessly in the ruck? We're just not clever enough to do that at the moment, so when we try, it tends to be clumsy and obvious, and it gets penalised.

This ^

I suppose there is that skillset, at worst its cheating, more likely its seen as pushing the envelope, the poop at tpotb the cats got away with in this game was diabolical, but it is clearly coached and practiced.
On the other hand, it all expends energy, I think that was evident in the second half when the cats, still rolling about in a pile were less effective, and looked a bit gassed at times.
Just talking about tpotb, with ball in hand I kinda feel Wakey have a different approach that conserves energy in that they don't roll about on the floor trying to make it appear they are trying to get up, unless the set has momentum.
So they don't get their milked penalties, but instead save effort for later in the game.....its a slow burn but allows them to maintain consistent performance for longer.
I'm not saying they do that every game but against the cats it was one of the few tactics available to them likely to impact on the outcome, they're a big skillful bunch les cats so a game plan targeting a possible weakness is essential prep.......tips hat to Chester

Re: Penalties conceded. : Mon May 23, 2016 11:08 pm  

wotsupcas I agree with most of what you say. However as far as the David Taylor incident he looked square to me and still does each time I watch it. It was a darn good tackle with quick reactions as far as I'm concerned, even in red, white and blue tinted glasses.

Re: Penalties conceded. : Tue May 24, 2016 8:52 am  

wildshot wrote:

wotsupcas I agree with most of what you say. However as far as the David Taylor incident he looked square to me and still does each time I watch it. It was a darn good tackle with quick reactions as far as I'm concerned, even in red, white and blue tinted glasses.

I agree - he was square and just reacted more quickly; deceptive for a big lad.

Re: Penalties conceded. : Tue May 24, 2016 5:37 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I agree - he was square and just reacted more quickly; deceptive for a big lad.

Taylor may have been square but the second marker was stood alongside him. BJB could go right to milk the penalty that never comes to Wakefield or left into Taylor who was on him before he collected the ball. I am sure we would have been penalised if the roles were reversed.

The other thing becoming more prevalent is being penalised when players dummy the play the ball which I understood to also be an offence.

Definitely time for 2 referees as the current shower are incapable of officiating to a sufficiently high standard on their own and I'm absolutely sure it is time to scrap the video ref entirely.

Re: Penalties conceded. : Tue May 24, 2016 7:08 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I agree - he was square and just reacted more quickly; deceptive for a big lad.

Sorry I disagree. Penalty 99 times out of 100. If we had done it penalty definitely. Stupid penalties are only stupid if they get given and that is the problem....other teams commit stupid offences against us that are not given. Taylor was pulled for a ridiculous offside in the second half and then did exactly the same from the tap....not given.. Stupid , but not given.