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Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:54 am  
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Excellent post, every successful sports team I can think of has somebody who oversees signings, talent identification and contractual issues.


Thank you, one of my biggest frustrations of the club and particularly with AP is that he is happy to throw money about at players yet when it comes to coaching and backroom staff etc we seem to do it on a shoestring. Hate to use Rovers as an example but their two previous coaches have being Tony Smith and Tim Sheens. If they can persuade that calibre of coaches then surely we can?
Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:43 am  
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Thank you, one of my biggest frustrations of the club and particularly with AP is that he is happy to throw money about at players yet when it comes to coaching and backroom staff etc we seem to do it on a shoestring. Hate to use Rovers as an example but their two previous coaches have being Tony Smith and Tim Sheens. If they can persuade that calibre of coaches then surely we can?


Neither really world, Apart from one covid hit season did Rovers improve under Smith, not great with youth and signings very hit and miss.
Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:31 pm  
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Neither really world, Apart from one covid hit season did Rovers improve under Smith, not great with youth and signings very hit and miss.



I think you are being a bit harsh. Admittedly neither pulled up many trees but TS did get us back into SL and more importantly kept us there, no other coach has achieved that in recent years. Yes last year was a Covid hit season but to go from relegation candidates to 80 minutes from the Grand Final was a real achievement.

I think one of the main differences between the two clubs regarding their head coaches is that Rovers have identified a problem and relatively quickly dealt with it. FC on the other hand have either not identified a problem or have been aware of issues and let things drift on.
Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:52 pm  
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Dave K. wrote:
Can't seem to get Hodgsons post match interview to work, but I;ve read on social media that he called out Wynne absolutely awful if he did and didn't name any other players, he is a 21 one year old kid, Ok he had a poor game, but not many didn't and a lot more senior players on a lot more money had just a bad a game, not fair to pick on one player

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Dave K. wrote:
Can't seem to get Hodgsons post match interview to work, but I;ve read on social media that he called out Wynne absolutely awful if he did and didn't name any other players, he is a 21 one year old kid, Ok he had a poor game, but not many didn't and a lot more senior players on a lot more money had just a bad a game, not fair to pick on one player

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Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:54 pm  
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Sorry to briefly hijack your board with discussion of Rovers ex-coaches but.

TS1 - fulfilled his brief. Petered out quite badly in 2019, but overall a successful appointment. I’ve probably been Jamie Peacock’s biggest critic but he got that one right.

TS2 - really weird mixed bag. Much better appointment, in prospect, than I expected, he did/achieved some things I really liked… and some I really didn’t. One on the hardest-to-make-sense-of head coaching tenures we’ve had.
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Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:56 pm  
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I think you are being a bit harsh. Admittedly neither pulled up many trees but TS did get us back into SL and more importantly kept us there, no other coach has achieved that in recent years. Yes last year was a Covid hit season but to go from relegation candidates to 80 minutes from the Grand Final was a real achievement.

I think one of the main differences between the two clubs regarding their head coaches is that Rovers have identified a problem and relatively quickly dealt with it. FC on the other hand have either not identified a problem or have been aware of issues and let things drift on.


Both still sacked and now you have followed our model by appointing an NRL assistant who has never coached first team (and was sacked by one club for fighting). You may be in a similar position to us next season if the gamble doesn't pay off.
Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:04 pm  
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Both still sacked and now you have followed our model by appointing an NRL assistant who has never coached first team (and was sacked by one club for fighting). You may be in a similar position to us next season if the gamble doesn't pay off.


I reckon St Helens would still finish in the top 3, at least, if coached by Brett Hodgson or Willie Peters next year… and the year after that etc.

I don’t think Hull or Rovers would have much chance of reaching the GF next year or the year after if coached by Kristian Woolf.
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Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:10 pm  
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Both still sacked and now you have followed our model by appointing an NRL assistant who has never coached first team (and was sacked by one club for fighting). You may be in a similar position to us next season if the gamble doesn't pay off.


Yes, as I said, issues identified and dealt with.

Not all inexperienced coach appointments fail. Smith at Rhinos has had an immediate impact. New coaches can only become experienced if given the opportunity. Coaching is no different to playing in that respect.

Recognising when things are not working and taking action that is the key. Almost two years in post with no impoverished in performance and poor signings that is what Mr Hodgson has brought to the table so far.
Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:20 pm  
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Rohan Smith at Leeds has turned things around considerably too without much change in personnel. If you have to wait until a coach gets their own team then there's no point attending for two years until the team is "their own". We had it with Gentle, Radford and now Hodgson...waiting for them to get their own team, the next coach can't be given two more years to clear out Hodgsons team and get their own team , the fans patience will have worn out long before then.


I agree and now our coach is picking up his unwanted players.
I know which coach i would back to make the right decision on releasing players and which i wouldnt back on recruitment given what we have seen already.Cant name one that has made any impact on the field
Re: Hodgson Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:20 pm  
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I reckon St Helens would still finish in the top 3, at least, if coached by Brett Hodgson or Willie Peters next year… and the year after that etc.

I don’t think Hull or Rovers would have much chance of reaching the GF next year or the year after if coached by Kristian Woolf.


Maybe not but team development takes time. Look what Tony Smith did at Rhinos. A Champioship after was it 20 years? Other coaches were then able to build on that.

All appointments are a risk. Inexperienced people may thrive in a new environment. Successful people are not always able to repeat that success at a new club. Again that applies to both coaches and players.

Appointments are made they are either successful or not successful what identifies a good people manager is how they deal with the success or failure.
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