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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:56 am  
Is it also a lack of backroom coaches that's the problem rather than just blaming the head coach? When you compare us to Wigan, saints, Leeds etc, they seem to have far more backroom staff, assistants, physios, conditioners etc whereas I've felt we always seem to do it on the cheap with a minimal number of staff so probably over stretching our coaching staff...isn't that why Watson rejected us? As Pearson wouldn't let him being in his staff?
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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:00 am  
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Is it also a lack of backroom coaches that's the problem rather than just blaming the head coach? When you compare us to Wigan, saints, Leeds etc, they seem to have far more backroom staff, assistants, physios, conditioners etc whereas I've felt we always seem to do it on the cheap with a minimal number of staff so probably over stretching our coaching staff...isn't that why Watson rejected us? As Pearson wouldn't let him being in his staff?


We have one benefactor, he’s been superb, those other clubs are have numerous cash sources presumably.
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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:01 am  
It may be the wrong thread to place this post but I genuinely believe that the hierarchy at the club is unbalanced and to be honest short staffed.

For me, Wigan are a great template of how to manage the club on the pitch. Head coach (Peets), a genuine assistant (Briers) and a head of rugby (Wane). All three bring different and positive attributes to the table. It has produced silverware already and I think they could on their day edge Saints come end of the season.

Now lets compare that to what Hull have, Hodgson, I don't doubt his knowledge and appreciate his commitment to the cause, but its his first dig as a Head Coach at a club he really doesn't know. At least Peets for Wigan knew the club inside out from the minute he took the roll. The there is Purtell. I struggle to think what he actually could offer, he seems more like a trainer then an assistant coach. Doesn't seem to have any real authority over anything to do with the club. At least with Briers he has the charisma and his reputation from his playing days to aspire the players. You could argue that Ellis could do the same for us, but again, it doesn't seem to have had much impact.

The biggest point of these is Head of Rugby, well, that's the point, we don't have one. We have an inexperienced head coach in probably one of the toughest jobs in the league and he has nobody to turn to. The closest thing we have to one is our CEO James Clark. I again struggle to see what he could bring to the table when it comes to coaching or anything to do with on field issues.

The Club is absolutely desperate for a change up in the hierarchy of the club, a Head of Rugby with experience of the game and one who isn't afraid to help in making tough choices. The obvious option is Tony Smith and it isn't one id say no to. If Pearson is serious in sticking with Hodgson's process then he has to give him some support in the background. There must be something there for AP to still seem to back Brett, so go out there and make sure it works or the club could find itself in serious trouble.
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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:01 am  
Good coaches don’t always have to have their “own” players to have an affect. Agar always used that excuse here.

Wigan and Saints don’t have a massive turnover of players every time someone new takes over.

Macguire only added Deacon to a Wigan squad, that then went on to win a Grand Final.
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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:01 am  
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We've asked the same question about our last 3 or 4(?) coaches. It does beg the question is the coach the problem or the core of players who have been here all that time?
Although I think only Houghton and Taylor are left from that group now which does make the continuing same problems all the more baffling.
Maybe its both. Not sure anyone has the answers.
Both in my opinion. Even Dan said the players are throwing the coach under the bus. He said everyone to blame but certainly wasn't to kind about the players. Good read again from Dan. My main gripe with Hodgson he knows the players who are letting the team and supporters down. Just drop them and say why. I know we have injuries but it's the same players. Lane. Houghton. Taylor. Gale. You can add more but there the main culprits IMO. The body language of those is blooming awful
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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:05 am  
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Good coaches don’t always have to have their “own” players to have an affect. Agar always used that excuse here.

Wigan and Saints don’t have a massive turnover of players every time someone new takes over.

Macguire only added Deacon to a Wigan squad, that then went on to win a Grand Final.


Rohan Smith at Leeds has turned things around considerably too without much change in personnel. If you have to wait until a coach gets their own team then there's no point attending for two years until the team is "their own". We had it with Gentle, Radford and now Hodgson...waiting for them to get their own team, the next coach can't be given two more years to clear out Hodgsons team and get their own team , the fans patience will have worn out long before then.
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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:08 am  
I have a little sympathy for Hodgson in that his scope for dropping players has been so limited with injuries and bans and ultimately he is battling for his job so I can understand the reluctance to drop a senior player for a youngster.
That said I think the fans would welcome it now tbh. We can't realistically make the playoffs or get relagated so its now time to make a point.
With Sao back on Friday I'll be disappointed if Taylor plays.
Laidlaw should play and be used as a genuine interchange not a token 20 mins at the end.
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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:13 am  
scarrie wrote:
I have a little sympathy for Hodgson in that his scope for dropping players has been so limited with injuries and bans and ultimately he is battling for his job so I can understand the reluctance to drop a senior player for a youngster.
That said I think the fans would welcome it now tbh. We can't realistically make the playoffs or get relagated so its now time to make a point.
With Sao back on Friday I'll be disappointed if Taylor plays.
Laidlaw should play and be used as a genuine interchange not a token 20 mins at the end.


Brett would gain more credence playing as many kids as possible now, we have nothing but a mathematical (if we even have) chance of the six, this mob needs a taste of reality.
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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:21 am  
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It may be the wrong thread to place this post but I genuinely believe that the hierarchy at the club is unbalanced and to be honest short staffed.

For me, Wigan are a great template of how to manage the club on the pitch. Head coach (Peets), a genuine assistant (Briers) and a head of rugby (Wane). All three bring different and positive attributes to the table. It has produced silverware already and I think they could on their day edge Saints come end of the season.

Now lets compare that to what Hull have, Hodgson, I don't doubt his knowledge and appreciate his commitment to the cause, but its his first dig as a Head Coach at a club he really doesn't know. At least Peets for Wigan knew the club inside out from the minute he took the roll. The there is Purtell. I struggle to think what he actually could offer, he seems more like a trainer then an assistant coach. Doesn't seem to have any real authority over anything to do with the club. At least with Briers he has the charisma and his reputation from his playing days to aspire the players. You could argue that Ellis could do the same for us, but again, it doesn't seem to have had much impact.

The biggest point of these is Head of Rugby, well, that's the point, we don't have one. We have an inexperienced head coach in probably one of the toughest jobs in the league and he has nobody to turn to. The closest thing we have to one is our CEO James Clark. I again struggle to see what he could bring to the table when it comes to coaching or anything to do with on field issues.

The Club is absolutely desperate for a change up in the hierarchy of the club, a Head of Rugby with experience of the game and one who isn't afraid to help in making tough choices. The obvious option is Tony Smith and it isn't one id say no to. If Pearson is serious in sticking with Hodgson's process then he has to give him some support in the background. There must be something there for AP to still seem to back Brett, so go out there and make sure it works or the club could find itself in serious trouble.
Excellent post, every successful sports team I can think of has somebody who oversees signings, talent identification and contractual issues.
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Re: Hodgson : Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:50 am  
The Hollywood Frasier wrote:
Excellent post, every successful sports team I can think of has somebody who oversees signings, talent identification and contractual issues.


What the hell does Adam do? He's been around for a LONG time and Shane Richardson was an excellent head of rugby.
Adam has the time to do this role! He could lean on Gaz Ellis - Shenton etc
Gaz may not be a great coach but he knows the game inside out.

We just need world class coach - simples.
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