Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:38 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

It did sound like a dig with the "small village team" comment!
I never understood when you signed Arundel, he was awful for us too.
Although I don't see him every week, I'm not sure Westerman has got back to the level he was at Cas. He might look like he has improved to you, but that's due to the massive amount he went backwards in his first couple of years at Hull.
I just hope Sneyd doesn't go the same way.

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Is that so I thought he got young player of the year and was nominated for rookie of the year. And an Knights call up

Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:45 pm  

Diogenes wrote:

I think its looking increasingly likely that neither Crooks nor Thompson will be here next season.

Its not looking good for Cunningham either if he wasn't included yesterday when Heremaia was injured.

Bowden is better than Green IMO and should be playing instead of him.

Looks that way about Crooks, such a shame as he is the most naturally gifted back we have, with a good coach and support of players he would be a great centre, I think if he goes, it will be a decision we come to regret.

I think Cunningham still has a future at Hull, think Radford is holding him back (wrongly IMO), but will play off the bench next season.

Not too bothered about Thomspon, started teh season great, but his form tailed off and the last few games he played, he was disappointing, his defence needs some serious work to play in the forwards, I'd look to play him in the backrow from now on.

Green and Bowden are about the same level IMO, some games they are excellent, others poor, both need to be more consistent, will be a good fight between them for the 4th prop next season.

Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:52 pm  

Think we need to realise with Ben Crooks that sometimes it's just not the clubs fault that things haven't worked out and the finger of blame needs to be pointed at the player. Easy to blame the club and coach, especially this year.

Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:23 pm  

hazzard wrote:

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Is that so I thought he got young player of the year and was nominated for rookie of the year. And an Knights call up

Not quite sure I understand your point. At Cas Westerman won SL Young Player of the Year and was called into the full England squad (only to get injured before the international games). Since moving to Hull he has not regained his spot in the England squad until this year and has not performed as well as he did at Cas (from what I have seen).

Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:34 pm  

*1865* wrote:

Think we need to realise with Ben Crooks that sometimes it's just not the clubs fault that things haven't worked out and the finger of blame needs to be pointed at the player. Easy to blame the club and coach, especially this year.

Why? What has Ben Crooks done wrong? Missed some tackles yes but what about the inept displays of Whiting at centre.he has also missed tackles and has been run around easily by anyone with a bit of pace yet Radford continues to play him.That said he will be dropped for the next match.
You cant blame Crooks at all for being disillusioned the way Radford has treated him.Even when Yeaman was injured recently and an ideal time to give Crooks a run Radford overlooked him and played an under19 rookie.
We have an incompetent coach and it will be travesty if he or any other flair player is hounded out of the club by Radford because they are not a tackle machine.

Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:48 pm  

bonaire wrote:

Why? What has Ben Crooks done wrong? Missed some tackles yes but what about the inept displays of Whiting at centre.he has also missed tackles and has been run around easily by anyone with a bit of pace yet Radford continues to play him.That said he will be dropped for the next match.
You cant blame Crooks at all for being disillusioned the way Radford has treated him.Even when Yeaman was injured recently and an ideal time to give Crooks a run Radford overlooked him and played an under19 rookie.
We have an incompetent coach and it will be travesty if he or any other flair player is hounded out of the club by Radford because they are not a tackle machine.

You're going only on what you've seen on match day, there's 6 other days in the week that require a certain level of effort and commitment to being a professional RL player. It's not even a secret, there's plenty on here that know what's going on with Ben, some issues are beyond even Ben's control, but most of them are his fault.

Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:58 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Not quite sure I understand your point. At Cas Westerman won SL Young Player of the Year and was called into the full England squad (only to get injured before the international games). Since moving to Hull he has not regained his spot in the England squad until this year and has not performed as well as he did at Cas (from what I have seen).

I think he was talking about Arundel.

Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:02 pm  

weaver93 wrote:

The blame for the debacle lays firmly at the door of Adam Pearson and previous owners.

Why??? , they always appoint unproven Head Coaches, where there are no structures & foundations in place.

We need someone who can gel a group of individuals into a TEAM.

Our passing is slow & inaccurate, dummy runners are virtually non existent. - these are coachable,- you dont need top players to achieve these basic skills.

Game after game, we see the same failings, basic errors slow wayward passing,dropped passes, mistimed dummy runners , I dont feel the staff/players work hard enough at improving basic core skills.

There is no such thing as a dummy runner, although plenty run like dummies.

Option runner is the term these days, all runs should be timed so that they can be hit on the flat pass, that at times creates more destruction than the poorly timed pass out the back. The whole attack structure needs all the cogs in time to make things happen, but we have slow distribution and our pivots go sideways so we run our outside players out of space.

Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:08 pm  

Graham Richards wrote:

Spot on.

I was told that this year was an improvement on last as the players had some kind of working week structure and knew where they stood day to day. Well thats working well.

I recently attended a RU coaching course which was taken by a regional coach. He emphasised the basics over and over again. Okay I coach youngsters, but he stressed that even the national squads do basic drills to keep the basic skills up to scratch.
Its a different code I know, but the principle remains the same. I couldn't imagine any of the basics of the game being practiced by our squads. (I stand corrected if they do).
PTB is a massive issue for us and while he is part of "Club Hull" I would be looking to replace Houghton for a start as his distribution is far too slow. He will be feeding Sneyd and Pryce next year and that will dampen their effectiveness immediately.
But I guess from November until February they will have plenty of time to get that right.

Basics are a must and no team at any age group should neglect them, no matter how good you are. Not sure on FCs sessions but When Sandercock was at KR had started every day off with basics and had that running right down the structure.

I'd guess Leeds, Saints, Wigan etc will all do similar.

As for working on players skills, how long do you think it takes to correct and re train a bad habit at the high levels. A lot longer than people think, if they haven't developed certain skills at a young age, they may never master them, can slightly improve but you'd be surprised.

Re: Third from bottom. : Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:37 pm  

*1865* wrote:

You're going only on what you've seen on match day, there's 6 other days in the week that require a certain level of effort and commitment to being a professional RL player. It's not even a secret, there's plenty on here that know what's going on with Ben, some issues are beyond even Ben's control, but most of them are his fault.

Well maybe you would like to enlighten us with the Ben Crooks behind the scene story.
All I see is a very talented young player who at the moment is being frozen out of the club because of an incompetent coach.
You have to play to the strengths of flair players.We know Crooks has a weakness in defence but a good coach will work on that.You can also protect him a little more by playing someone like Ellis on the right for several games.
You cant blame Crooks for being disillusioned.