We may have missed a target for one season but it was not a grand final whatever you and other deluded FC fans want to say. Yes that is disappointing not to have made the playoffs this year.

FC on the other hand have not met their target for four years. A very specific target. ‘We will be challenging for the Grand Final next year - I’ve no doubt about that.’ The year after that: ‘The Grand Final is the aim, definitely with the squad we’ve got.’ In 2021.

Since 2018 when Mr Pearson made that statement how many times have FC even made the playoffs never mind the grand final? FC’s failure over that period is woeful and reading the forums and talking to friends who support your team the fact is recognised by many black and white fans.

I suppose it makes you and others of your ilk feel a tad better feeing able to gloat over our trials and tribulations when the problems within you club are laid bare for the whole rugby league world to see.

Still not at woeful and not winning a major trophy since 1985 whilst we have won 4.

We just rightly have higher standards and ambitions than Rovers as we are the bigger club, that's why Rovers fans are happy with their season finishing at best 8th whilst we are disappointed with that.

At the end of the day both Hull clubs have failed in terms of SL success and the sport, the City and both clubs themselves need both clubs to be doing better.

Really not sure what the answers are but unless the players are cut from the squad that are causing issue it allows the rot to continue and infect the others and means we are stuck in perpetual turmoil.

Taylor, Houghton, Griffin, Gale for me should not be at the club next season moving forward which would mean paying off Taylor and Griffin, then not renewing any deals with Houghton and Gale. Jury is still out on Lane who really needs to up his game too as he's just not been at it this season but would give him the benefit of doubt next season with the removal of the 4 mentioned.

If the club give Houghton another year then AP, JC and BH need to give their heads a wobble as that is just rewarding systemic failure and again leaving the rot to continue to fester.

It's not us saying it. Hudgell said a GF eliminator was the baseline. You're sliding backwards.

You may have higher standards and ambitions but unfortunately for you in recents seasons you have been abject failures. There appears to be delusions of grandeur and a need to live off past glories. Maybe the players feed off the fans and feel they are better than they really are. That maybe why your club does not seem able to solve its present problems. In sport it’s the here and now that’s important. It must be a great comfort to you all that whilst regularly conceding 60 points you can look back on your cup wins. In SL you have won neither the league leaders shield nor the Championship despite all the years you have spent in the competition. You have achieved nothing more than the club you decry.

At least the majority of our fanbase were alive for ours.

Thanks for proving my point.

Classic Keefy. Come on here to, as usual, have a sly dig and when home truths are fired back at you, it’s all out warfare on AP, JC and the whole of FC, oh and deluded fans. I’ve been an acquaintance with quite a few Rovers “fans” over the years. What starts out as a reasonable discussion about rugby, inevitably, turns into a derisory comment on FC. I just don’t understand the evenhanded chip you have on both shoulders. One in particular noticed my FC tattoo on my leg and said he’d supported Warrington at Wembley, when I asked him if he went to matches, he gave the usual reply “no”. Our conversation and relationship ended immediately.

My point is that although we have under achieved we have actually achieved. A Rovers supporter celebrating that Yorkshire Cup win in 1985 with his/her first legal pint is now in their mid-fifties.

Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"It's not us saying it. Hudgell said a GF eliminator was the baseline. You're sliding backwards. '" I think we're just bouncing about within our bucket, like everybody else. Please anticipate a very long post describing and classifying those buckets. If there isn't some sort of major overhaul we all know roughly what happens every season. The times they are a-staying the same and the foreseeable future in RL increasingly feels like it extends beyond what I'll actually get to see. Still, here's to hope! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%8 ... .C._season

Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"It's not us saying it. Hudgell said a GF eliminator was the baseline. You're sliding backwards. '" I think we're just bouncing about within our bucket, like everybody else. Please anticipate a very long post describing and classifying those buckets. If there isn't some sort of major overhaul we all know roughly what happens every season. The times they are a-staying the same and the foreseeable future in RL increasingly feels like it extends beyond what I'll actually get to see. Still, here's to hope! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%8 ... .C._season

Keep it coming.

I have to agree. It's time for a change. He may even call it a day himself.

Lovodua to start if he's here, Dwyer bench and Balmforth next in line.