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Re: Jones departure already
Post Tue May 19, 2020 5:09 pm
Posted by Boss Hog on Tue May 19, 2020 5:09 pm
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jimmyfivebellies wrote:
With even Wire wanting a handout from the govt loan I would very much doubt they will be splashing money on signing ANYONE.


You were saying...........
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Post Thu May 21, 2020 5:13 pm
Posted by 48756c6c20 524c4643 on Thu May 21, 2020 5:13 pm
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Fact is many of us who have been around all this a long time sort of think that this sort of thing doesn't usually happen unless said player has got somewhere else to go and so I think it will be with jones. In short who would be surprised if he has been tapped up and if he has then we want a big transfer fee. However the fact Clubs are in a financial position to be able to entice players away does for me raise another issue.

For me, although you can't blame players looking to their futures if their contracts are running out, I think that the RL should have put an embargo on any players moving or signing new contracts and frozen the whole situation whilst players are under furlough and until the future of the game and the length of this season was sorted. At present there are a lot of clubs like our own who are struggling to keep going day to day and who therefore daren't commit to new contracts and bring in new players, because of their uncertain financial futures. However there are a few Clubs whose beniffactors are so well off they will feel they know they will survive whatever and can move on such things with some certainty but in doing so they are doing it at the expense of other those Clubs in the competition. That hardly seems fair to me.

So you want to limit the rights of a person to move jobs/talk to a potential employer, that's not lawful is it? There are a lot of businesses struggling out there, tens of thousands in fact with many gone/going under, they don't put such restrictions in who their employees can approach or stop them from leaving.
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Post Thu May 21, 2020 5:55 pm
Posted by ccs on Thu May 21, 2020 5:55 pm
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48756c6c20 524c4643 wrote:
So you want to limit the rights of a person to move jobs/talk to a potential employer, that's not lawful is it? There are a lot of businesses struggling out there, tens of thousands in fact with many gone/going under, they don't put such restrictions in who their employees can approach or stop them from leaving.
That's been happening for years. Clubs must tell players on the 1st of May in the year their contract is ending whether they will be offered a new contract or not. The players have until 1st June to accept or decline a new contract if offered, and if they don't accept it they can talk to other clubs. Seems fair to me, both players and clubs have a reasonable degree of protected.
Players are given 6 months notice, not bad by any of today's standards.
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Post Thu May 21, 2020 6:26 pm
Posted by 48756c6c20 524c4643 on Thu May 21, 2020 6:26 pm
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WIZEB wrote:
The demonisation of Radford continues unabated.
Like I've said previously, let's see how we look back in ten years when the trophy cabinet keys have gone rusty, and are hidden in the corner, third drawer down.


And if the coach and indeed club as a whole had done better with the talent and money we had in the last 6 years do you not think that the future might have been a bit more rosy in terms of potential to get the cabinet having something in it?
That's not dissimilar to what happened with Bunting, huge investment in players, won a couple of big trophies and then we fizzled out, at least with Bunting we didn't get walloped as we have under Radford, coaches have their limits, but if you get a great squad in, get some luck injury wise (Saints had that in droves in recent times) and win a few games on the bounce you can look fantastic and win some silverware, but it doesn't make you a great coach.

Would you not agree that just the 2 CC wins are a bit of a disappointment on the back of what the owner put in and the personnel we had over the last 6 years, add into which the last 2 1/4 seasons, cutting back the squad for various cap/player contract reasons, more big investments and out the play-offs the last two seasons?
It's the highs and the huge lows that follow that make you question Radford's coaching ability.

Lee can be happy with what he achieved, and what he, the players and all the staff involved gave us, we can't forget those highs, but as fans we should have expected more from the squad/investment, not necessarily that we were going to win trophies every year, but actually put us on a bit more of a level pegging with other big clubs.
We should have an expectation that the coach should do better in how he coached tactics, how he handled players, both top earners and youngsters (including personal spats), to how he managed the back room stuff, to the youth system, and most of all not getting drummed several times over to the point of record defeats
That negative stuff is an equal part of Lee's legacy.

But we have to move forward and to go forward thinking we won't win anything in ten years is just silly really.
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Post Thu May 21, 2020 6:29 pm
Posted by 48756c6c20 524c4643 on Thu May 21, 2020 6:29 pm
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That's been happening for years. Clubs must tell players on the 1st of May in the year their contract is ending whether they will be offered a new contract or not. The players have until 1st June to accept or decline a new contract if offered, and if they don't accept it they can talk to other clubs. Seems fair to me, both players and clubs have a reasonable degree of protected.
Players are given 6 months notice, not bad by any of today's standards.

Yes of course, but the way the poster I replied to was talking about removing rights of players to seek employment elsewhere with embargo's that add on to what already existed, that doesn't sit right, even more so in these times, it came across as you can't leave a club or even enter into looking elsewhere under a threat of penalty.
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Post Thu May 21, 2020 6:42 pm
Posted by ccs on Thu May 21, 2020 6:42 pm
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48756c6c20 524c4643 wrote:
Yes of course, but the way the poster I replied to was talking about removing rights of players to seek employment elsewhere with embargo's that add on to what already existed, that doesn't sit right, even more so in these times, it came across as you can't leave a club or even enter into looking elsewhere under a threat of penalty.
Threat of penalty ? Where?

Something will have to be done, the sooner the better.
If the season is extended by 3 months, players who don't get a renewed contract won't be playing for other clubs in those games because there are signing deadlines.
These deadlines need changing, along with the playing contracts.
Otherwise Ratu and Albert may well have moved on before the season even gets started again, if it ever does.
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Post Fri May 22, 2020 7:54 am
Posted by Irregular Hoops on Fri May 22, 2020 7:54 am
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Don’t think there’s been a demonisation of Radford, just the reality that he took us as far as he could and the style of rugby wasn’t great.

I watched some highlights from 2018 on Sky. The week after Warringtons cup final defeat, they destroyed a woeful FC.
After watching that I’m not sure how Radford lasted for 2019.
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Post Fri May 22, 2020 1:42 pm
Posted by 48756c6c20 524c4643 on Fri May 22, 2020 1:42 pm
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ccs wrote:
Threat of penalty ? Where?

Something will have to be done, the sooner the better.
If the season is extended by 3 months, players who don't get a renewed contract won't be playing for other clubs in those games because there are signing deadlines.
These deadlines need changing, along with the playing contracts.
Otherwise Ratu and Albert may well have moved on before the season even gets started again, if it ever does.

The poster Dentist stated there should be an embargo enforced on players - presumably by the RFL and/or SL, did you not read that bit? An embargo would come with penalties if you breach them wouldn't it, otherwise there's no point to it, surely you can understand that if a poster wants embargos to prevent players from being able to leave that by doing so there would be a penalty for a breach of that embargo right?

I'm just disagreeing with the poster The Dentist who was the one saying there should be an embargo on players.
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