Re: Mr Carter : Tue May 17, 2022 7:08 pm  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

The facebook pages are comedy gold. One clown after another trying to out-whine the other. Looking for back slaps and brownie points within the group and all done with the best interest of the club at heart obviously!

Earlier today, somebody commented on one of the posts, I think the one about John Kear, that MC is walking away next year to live in Portugal. Take it with a pinch of salt, but doesn't he have property out there

Re: Mr Carter : Tue May 17, 2022 7:10 pm  

Travelling Wilbury wrote:

Earlier today, somebody commented on one of the posts, I think the one about John Kear, that MC is walking away next year to live in Portugal. Take it with a pinch of salt, but doesn't he have property out there

Good for him, much better quality of life and a lot less stress.

Re: Mr Carter : Tue May 17, 2022 7:23 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Once more......we are a small business with limited income.

Anyone putting money in is not an investor they are giving funds with no hope of a return.

We have sponsorship who gain advertising and as far as I know (which I don't really for sure) we aren't doing bad at this compared to other seasons

We are customers, nothing more. Supporters groups are an idea that always gets raised but if you take RLfans as an example, much as enjoy debating on here, I would not want the vast majority anywhere near making decisions for the club.

Were we just customers a couple of years ago when most of us handed over hard earned money to the club? I would hopew MC values us more than that.

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Re: Mr Carter : Tue May 17, 2022 7:43 pm  

Redscat wrote:

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Were we just customers a couple of years ago when most of us handed over hard earned money to the club? I would hopew MC values us more than that.

If you gave the club money, you are a customer who made a donation.
So you may be appreciated, and may be loyal, which means they should look after you, but still customers.

Which brings up another point. Can the club identify loyal customers as opposed to just passing customers.
Right now I think they'll only be able to do that through season tickets and memberships.

Re: Mr Carter : Tue May 17, 2022 8:04 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Once more..

We are customers, nothing more. Supporters groups are an idea that always gets raised but if you take RLfans as an example, much as enjoy debating on here, I would not want the vast majority anywhere near making decisions for the club.

We are only customers not one of your best descriptions of a supporter who I believe are far more than that. If a business performed like we have over the last few seasons they would lose their customer base and go bust. A Wakefield supporter on the other hand pays their money despite get very little in return. We don’t at Wakefield ask much just a team that puts in the effort for the time they are on the field. We unlike sponsors do not get much for our money but without us the club is finished. We are starved of information from the current club unless they want us to step up and pay for some new merchandise. I wonder if we will be bringing out a new magic weekend shirt this year. I cannot remember any tweets apologising to the supporters who have invested money to go and watch the team underperform again.
I notice that Leeds are offering reduced admission for Friday giving members the opportunity to buy two additional tickets for £2.21 each, I guess it’s called marketing.

Re: Mr Carter : Tue May 17, 2022 9:19 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell Leeds can do it because of sugar daddys they are millions in det because of new stand most clubs would have gone bust .Same as Wigan ,Huddersfield .very unfair playing field

Re: Mr Carter : Tue May 17, 2022 9:38 pm  

Yes but I believe we are still to start paying for the purchase of the ground, I may be wrong.

Re: Mr Carter : Tue May 17, 2022 10:25 pm  

PopTart wrote:

If you gave the club money, you are a customer who made a donation.
So you may be appreciated, and may be loyal, which means they should look after you, but still customers.

Which brings up another point. Can the club identify loyal customers as opposed to just passing customers.
Right now I think they'll only be able to do that through season tickets and memberships.

Sorry PT but to call us JUST customers is ridiculous. I am just a customer of Aldi or Asda. I am not emotionally involved with those companies but I am with Trinity.
If the product was as shabby from Aldi or Asda as it is with Trinity I would stop using them.
As it is 55 years and counting. That's not JUST a customer.

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Re: Mr Carter : Tue May 17, 2022 11:53 pm  

wotsupcas wrote:

Sorry PT but to call us JUST customers is ridiculous. I am just a customer of Aldi or Asda. I am not emotionally involved with those companies but I am with Trinity.
If the product was as shabby from Aldi or Asda as it is with Trinity I would stop using them.
As it is 55 years and counting. That's not JUST a customer.

Exactly. You are a loyal customer. But in business terms that's all.
Your influence is only whether you buy the product or not. You can influence others to buy or not as a loyal customer which makes you more important but you can't alter the product. Change the staff. Or tell the owner what to do.
As loyal customers we all have strong opinions which might influence the owner, if he fears we may no longer buy the product.
That's no different to Asda selling own brand Shreddies. If you go into the store and start shouting about it, you'll just get thrown out and nothing will change. Same as if you write to the CEO about it. If loads of people feel the same way and don't buy it....they'll change the recipe.

But the opposite applies too....which I think is more your point.
If the owner loses the faith of his loyal customers, his business will die.

Re: Mr Carter : Wed May 18, 2022 3:19 am  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

As I read this, fans are panicking because we are in a hole on the field once more.

There are two sides to Trinity: on the field and off the field.

Off the field is MC's arena. The club is in a better position than for years. We own the ground. We are financially stable (so everyone says). The ground is about to be redeveloped. MC and Mindards have done a sterling job and they should carry on.

On the field, not so good. The only criticism I can level at MC, if I really tried, was that he stuck with Chester for too long, but Chester's good couple of seasons probably gave him brownie points that bought him a season longer than perhaps should have been the case. As for Willie, we don't know if the club finances dictated his appointment, rather than advertising for someone with a greater pedigree. If it was finances, then that is just how it goes. It is hard to blame someone for on the field situations, however, when that is not his arena or forte.

As for attracting investors, there is no such thing in rugby league. Investors expect a return on the investment. Anyone who pumps money into a rugby league club does it as a hobby with money they don't mind losing. So, is it MC's fault no one is offering to waste millions of pounds? Unlikely to be a queue of people.

MC I've no issue with and I hope we don't lose him. I prefer stability over anything else. I just wish we hadn't made the same mistake as so previous years, appointing someone who is really just an assistant on the back of a sacking bounce.

I'm pretty much in agreement with every word of this... in my experience the club has never been better run as a functioning business... tight financial control, with the exception of the mortgage, which is being serviced... and there are no outstanding bills, and our supply chain can rely on the club to meet its contractual requirements without resorting to threatened or actual legal action... how are you guys doing with your household budgets these days???

perhaps there could have been greater progress in the area of attracting investment, but the current business climate in the UK currently is not great, and I think the mounting debts of some of our rugby league rivals will soon come home to roost. I don't support this club because I think we will, or even can, win every week, I know that, on paper we are easily in the bottom three clubs based on playing talent. I support them because they are part of my DNA, my family, my tribe... my mob!

there may be sustainable success in the future, there may not... players, fans even custodian owners come and go... but the way I see it the current custodian owners have added more stability, surety and governance than I have seen in over 50 years... and that means that the club will probably be around for my grandchildren and great grandchildren (and their generational family in and around Wakefield).

Sustainable change only happens incrementally even with huge investment..

I first came across "if you always do what you've always done" quote in the mid 80 as a part of the TQM revolution in industry... it encourages change and innovation, but must be treated as only a part of the long term solution, for if you don't underpin change and improvement with due diligence, system and governance, you are doomed to boom and bust.

we don't have access to massive investment in the short term, so the only alternative is to make incremental changes to the business in the short term whilst seeking opportunities to create investment... but investment must attract a dividend... otherwise its just a donation... and these days there are far more deserving charities seeking angels.

And no amount of whinging and bleating with change the economics of this minor professional sport.