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Re: Prop Tue May 10, 2022 7:22 pm  
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How many centres do we have available for Saturdays game considering Croft is on loan but can be recalled I believe.
Re: Prop Tue May 10, 2022 8:09 pm  
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What a shocking example quoting the Leeds the game, we had circa 9 backs out for one reason or another.We had one recognised centre (Croft) who had played one reserve game after a 12 month lay off.Nothing to do with squad size,you cant reasonably prepare for a one off situation like that And you yourself posted the comment below on the evening of the game

This time we can’t blame the coach he can only play what has and what he has is not a lot. The glaring gaps in the centres are obvious to everybody but what can you do when you have to play two forwards.

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Re: Prop Tue May 10, 2022 8:40 pm  
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Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:
How many centres do we have available for Saturdays game considering Croft is on loan but can be recalled I believe.


Why don't we have the two regular centres?
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Re: Prop Tue May 10, 2022 9:20 pm  
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No I don't, it's only the opinion of you and a few others who are obsessed with this. I think he could play both equally well or badly. However, as a player, he should be happy to play wherever his club tells him to play. There are numerous players at Trinity who play numerous positions, what makes this player so special? He's not that specialist!


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Don’t be ridiculous, it’s just a statement of opinion, nothing more and nothing less. When the same subject comes up I’ll express the same opinion

I think he’s shown himself to be happy to play wherever he’s selected, unless you can point to a link where he’s indicated differently?
That doesn’t preclude him from losing confidence by being constantly played out of position.

Your whataboutery argument holds no water at all, other players do play out of position, however some of them are utility players and some only play out of position for the odd game or so.

You say he’s not that specialist, that clearly betrays your lack of understanding IMO
Re: Prop Tue May 17, 2022 7:12 am  
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I see that Josh Bowden is now surplus to requirements at Hull and likely to be released? Haven't heard much of him recently but Hull are flush with some top class props so maybe just not getting game time and even less likely to feature now that Taylor is back. 6' 7" and 110 kg.

Rumour is he's likely to drop to Championship with Leigh or Featherstone.
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Re: Prop Tue May 17, 2022 7:44 am  
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I see that Josh Bowden is now surplus to requirements at Hull and likely to be released? Haven't heard much of him recently but Hull are flush with some top class props so maybe just not getting game time and even less likely to feature now that Taylor is back. 6' 7" and 110 kg.

Rumour is he's likely to drop to Championship with Leigh or Featherstone.


Looked like a real quality player a few years ago however he has fallen away badly.

Not sure where the 6’7” stat comes from but he is nowhere near that.

Listed at 6’2” on the official Hull site and I think that is optimistic.

The main issue with him he is another “middle” rather than a Prop.

We have a pack full of “middles” at the moment apart from Fifita and now Butler who are both out and out props.

He isn’t a signing that improves us in my opinion so I’d be steering clear personally.
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Re: Prop Tue May 24, 2022 5:27 pm  
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The last few days have made me reflect on the Rob Butler deal and whether we are really at such a low point that he’s the best we can hope to recruit or are we naive, seen as fall guys by other clubs and taken for a ride by player agents.

It’s been no secret for months maybe even a year or so that we’ve been looking for some new front rowers yet we apparently can’t find one, none are available etc.

We’ve signed Championship standard props for quite some time and to varying degrees they’ve all come up short, Batty, Hurst, Tangata for example

Then we signed Rob Butler, now like any new signing I’ll give him a chance to show his ability but on the face of it he looks like another bottom of the bargain bucket signing that we’re hoping will work out, we will see.

In the meantime Warrington, where Butler came from have signed not one, not two but FOUR new prop forwards
Thomas Mikaele from Wests Tigers, Gil Dudson and Sam Kasiano from Catalan and Kyle Amor on loan from St Helen’s

Also, Toulouse have found Daniel Alvaro a 28 year old, 114 games in the NRL standard prop who’s made an impressive start in SL

But we’ve been repeatedly told there are no available front rowers out there!

We’ve often moaned about how we seemed to be a dumping ground for Castlefords unwanted players and now it seems we’ve been used by Warrington to offload a player so they can bring in better options.
Equally, are agents lifting our leg a bit by shifting their deadwood (not aimed at any on singular player) onto us and we are naive enough to swallow the gumpf they come out with.

Is it just that we don’t have the budget to take such as Amor on loan or sign an NRL quality prop, if this is the case over such a long period of time why?
Re: Prop Tue May 24, 2022 5:39 pm  
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The last few days have made me reflect on the Rob Butler deal and whether we are really at such a low point that he’s the best we can hope to recruit or are we naive, seen as fall guys by other clubs and taken for a ride by player agents.

It’s been no secret for months maybe even a year or so that we’ve been looking for some new front rowers yet we apparently can’t find one, none are available etc.

We’ve signed Championship standard props for quite some time and to varying degrees they’ve all come up short, Batty, Hurst, Tangata for example

Then we signed Rob Butler, now like any new signing I’ll give him a chance to show his ability but on the face of it he looks like another bottom of the bargain bucket signing that we’re hoping will work out, we will see.

In the meantime Warrington, where Butler came from have signed not one, not two but FOUR new prop forwards
Thomas Mikaele from Wests Tigers, Gil Dudson and Sam Kasiano from Catalan and Kyle Amor on loan from St Helen’s

Also, Toulouse have found Daniel Alvaro a 28 year old, 114 games in the NRL standard prop who’s made an impressive start in SL

But we’ve been repeatedly told there are no available front rowers out there!

We’ve often moaned about how we seemed to be a dumping ground for Castlefords unwanted players and now it seems we’ve been used by Warrington to offload a player so they can bring in better options.
Equally, are agents lifting our leg a bit by shifting their deadwood (not aimed at any on singular player) onto us and we are naive enough to swallow the gumpf they come out with.

Is it just that we don’t have the budget to take such as Amor on loan or sign an NRL quality prop, if this is the case over such a long period of time why?


You’re not seriously comparing our budget to Warrington ! I know we’re in a hell of a place at the min but there’s no comparison btw them and us . Also why not give Butler a chance .. he’s played one game and did ok ..
Re: Prop Tue May 24, 2022 5:40 pm  
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The Avenger wrote:
The last few days have made me reflect on the Rob Butler deal and whether we are really at such a low point that he’s the best we can hope to recruit or are we naive, seen as fall guys by other clubs and taken for a ride by player agents.

It’s been no secret for months maybe even a year or so that we’ve been looking for some new front rowers yet we apparently can’t find one, none are available etc.

We’ve signed Championship standard props for quite some time and to varying degrees they’ve all come up short, Batty, Hurst, Tangata for example

Then we signed Rob Butler, now like any new signing I’ll give him a chance to show his ability but on the face of it he looks like another bottom of the bargain bucket signing that we’re hoping will work out, we will see.

In the meantime Warrington, where Butler came from have signed not one, not two but FOUR new prop forwards
Thomas Mikaele from Wests Tigers, Gil Dudson and Sam Kasiano from Catalan and Kyle Amor on loan from St Helen’s

Also, Toulouse have found Daniel Alvaro a 28 year old, 114 games in the NRL standard prop who’s made an impressive start in SL

But we’ve been repeatedly told there are no available front rowers out there!

We’ve often moaned about how we seemed to be a dumping ground for Castlefords unwanted players and now it seems we’ve been used by Warrington to offload a player so they can bring in better options.
Equally, are agents lifting our leg a bit by shifting their deadwood (not aimed at any on singular player) onto us and we are naive enough to swallow the gumpf they come out with.

Is it just that we don’t have the budget to take such as Amor on loan or sign an NRL quality prop, if this is the case over such a long period of time why?
toulouse have signed Nathan peats at hooker to go with him
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Re: Prop Tue May 24, 2022 5:46 pm  
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MOPSEY LIVES ON wrote:
toulouse have signed Nathan peats at hooker to go with him


Peats will make a huge difference to them, once he starts combining effectively with Corey Norman, which won’t take long, they’ll be a much smoother attacking unit than we’ve seen so far.

Someone at Toulouse clearly understands what they’re doing regards recruitment and has put the effort in to identify and sign their targets
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