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Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 12:27 am  
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vastman wrote:
Right on cue the exact type of person I was referring to. You never fail to show yourself up.


We both want the same outcome but I believe we cannot achieve it with Chester in charge but judging by your post above you do. This does not make my opinion and less valid than yours despite what you believe nor does it make me any less a supporter. I admit I am not on email terms with MC, maybe you could use your lofty position to ask the club what they are intending to do to ensure we are at least given a chance to avoid relegation.
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 3:27 am  
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Luppylad wrote:
He has been unlucky with injuries i agree although if the season continues with injuries can 3 years of injuries all be down to luck...but other things isnt all bad luck like recruitment and retentions these have been poor really poor example bishop( yes he was offered deal but not as good contract)leaviing but resigning of kershaw and the signing of kaye..then signings such as a walker n gigot or letting naverette and koppy go but keeping green and tangata there is others but sure you get my point..then add to this getting an extra coach in last to help him using player budget money to finance that .this isnt bad luck.

Lets hope he can finally make a decent signing(like kelepi) with the AF money and pull us out of this poop as in an ideal world this is what we want.


Point of order: the injuries were only really 2019. 2020 was covid withdrawals. This year is only just beginning and not yet comparable to 2019. So, only one year, so far, of injury bad luck.

I agree some of the recruitment was baffling. Ryan Atkins? I guess when you're shopping at poundworld you have to take a chance that the North Korean phone charger is not going to explode in your face. When you're taking a punt there is a level of luck that they work out well.

The problem and solution are the same MONEY. We don't have any and in reality shouldn't be in the top division of a professional sport, but we keep on hanging in there hoping for a miracle.

This is not 1986 or even 2015, the team is better than that, we've been fairly competitive - it could all work out... keep the faith - for now. Confidence and mental toughness seem to be lacking, a single win could make all the difference.
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Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 8:22 am  

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The Dean Whare first half try summed it up for me. We try an offload in their half and pass it to a Catalans player. On the next tackle we are offside. They boot it into our half, we fail to get set, Langi taps while we have our backs turned and makes an easy 13-14 yards. They just ship it out wide for a fairly easy walk in.

Just a cluster of errors.
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 10:21 am  
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For comparison, I just thought I'd see what the graph of a really successful club looks like. So here's Wigan & Wakefield on the same graph.

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Their mean position is 4.6, median of 3.0 and the mode is of course 1st (26 times in 126 seasons - more than 1 in 5)

We've only finished above them on 12 occasions in 117 seasons (not counting when they were split into county leagues)
2 of those were during the war time emergency leagues of 1944 and 1945, 2 were the season Wigan were relegated and the season they were in the 2nd division and another 2 were recently in SL (2009 & 2017)
We really are a middling club that sometimes punches above its weight. Staying in SL is an achievement, winning a trophy is spectacular.
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Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 11:49 am  

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For me there's a losing mind set in the team...they've become so accustomed to it there's no belief they can win and they've forgotten how to...you only have to see the last quarters of the Hull and Catalans games to see that...there was an air of inevitability in the Hull game that when we had got back to 14-14 and they then got the ball in our 20 they were going to score their winning try and it was the same when Kaye's try was chalked off vs Catalans...that mind set and air of inevitability crept in and it was 'here we go again', 'how unlucky are we'.

This mind set is throughout the players and seeps into any new signings we make so that they become as disputed and low on confidence...hence al the comments of 'we'll coach it out of them' etc.

We need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves and show the pride that this topic is asking us all to comment on
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 1:40 pm  

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coco the fullback wrote:
Point of order: the injuries were only really 2019. 2020 was covid withdrawals. This year is only just beginning and not yet comparable to 2019. So, only one year, so far, of injury bad luck.

I agree some of the recruitment was baffling. Ryan Atkins? I guess when you're shopping at poundworld you have to take a chance that the North Korean phone charger is not going to explode in your face. When you're taking a punt there is a level of luck that they work out well.

The problem and solution are the same MONEY. We don't have any and in reality shouldn't be in the top division of a professional sport, but we keep on hanging in there hoping for a miracle.

This is not 1986 or even 2015, the team is better than that, we've been fairly competitive - it could all work out... keep the faith - for now. Confidence and mental toughness seem to be lacking, a single win could make all the difference.


Ive have said on many times money is an issue and thats why the club for me gets some slack..although im sure money could somtimes be better wellspent like using players budget on an extra coach
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 1:49 pm  

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coco the fullback wrote:
Point of order: the injuries were only really 2019. 2020 was covid withdrawals. This year is only just beginning and not yet comparable to 2019. So, only one year, so far, of injury bad luck.

I agree some of the recruitment was baffling. Ryan Atkins? I guess when you're shopping at poundworld you have to take a chance that the North Korean phone charger is not going to explode in your face. When you're taking a punt there is a level of luck that they work out well.

The problem and solution are the same MONEY. We don't have any and in reality shouldn't be in the top division of a professional sport, but we keep on hanging in there hoping for a miracle.

This is not 1986 or even 2015, the team is better than that, we've been fairly competitive - it could all work out... keep the faith - for now. Confidence and mental toughness seem to be lacking, a single win could make all the difference.


Points of order according to our standing orders are determined by the chair, you have no authority here Coco, no authority at all.
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 2:52 pm  

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homme vaste wrote:
Points of order according to our standing orders are determined by the chair, you have no authority here Coco, no authority at all.


Where’s the chairman?!
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 3:43 pm  
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TimmySmith wrote:
Where’s the chairman?!


There isn't one, it's a conch.
This world was never meant for one as beautiful as me.

WTRLC 2012 to 2014 "The wasted years"

Magic Weekend "Whipping Boys" 2013, 2014 & 2015

2017 - The year the dream disappeared under Grix's right foot.

2018 - The FinniChezz Bromance

2019 - The return of the Prodigal Son.

2020 - Keeping the faith.
Re: There is no shame or self pride. Wed May 05, 2021 7:11 pm  

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coco the fullback wrote:
Point of order: the injuries were only really 2019. 2020 was covid withdrawals. This year is only just beginning and not yet comparable to 2019. So, only one year, so far, of injury bad luck.

I agree some of the recruitment was baffling. Ryan Atkins? I guess when you're shopping at poundworld you have to take a chance that the North Korean phone charger is not going to explode in your face. When you're taking a punt there is a level of luck that they work out well.

The problem and solution are the same MONEY. We don't have any and in reality shouldn't be in the top division of a professional sport, but we keep on hanging in there hoping for a miracle.

This is not 1986 or even 2015, the team is better than that, we've been fairly competitive - it could all work out... keep the faith - for now. Confidence and mental toughness seem to be lacking, a single win could make all the difference.


It's certainly quite interesting what you have put on here, but I don't think it's as ever simple as the clubs who have money are successful just like that. Let's go back to 1998, and since then look at who has been crowned league champions, winning the grand final in doing so, Leeds, Saints, Wigan & Bradford, that's it isn't it? Now I don't know the exact financial situations at Leeds, Saints & Wigan, but probably similar, as is probably the same at Hull & Warrington? Two clubs who have invested heavily in those 20 odd years, have excellent facilities, youth set-ups, stadiums, training facilities, corporate & sponsorship etc, etc, yet neither have been crowned league champions in that time, yes they have had success in the challenge cup, but not the holy grail of being top dogs. Money is no good if it's wasted, good decisions as re. Coaches, overseas players, signing the correct youngsters at the right time, discarding players at the right time etc, etc, all have to be gotten right more often than not. Leeds, Saints & Wigan very rarely seem to go more than 2 or 3 seasons without winning the grand final, although Leeds' dominance if you like has waned in the last 5 years or so. They make good decisions with the finances they have more often than not, Hull & Warrington haven't, yet like I've said are probably financially on a par with the 'big' 3. I think i'm right in also saying neither of them have finished top in over 20 years at the end of the regular season, unlike Cas & Huddersfield. Money is no guarantee of success, but can certainly help i'll give you that! :ROCKS:
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