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Richard Agar Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:57 am  

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Agar did a podcast like the one Tom did and I found it really interesting. The guy can certainly talk.
He talks through his whole career and because he didn't have a stellar carrier like some it gives an insight into how players make decisions about their career.
But around the 50 minute mark he gets on to Wakefield which is truly eye opening. The guy gets some stick from some fans but when you listen to this it explains a lot.

I've always rated Agar and his time at Wakefield so maybe I'm biased. See what you think.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/3 ... 0510804605
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He talks a good game and certainly seems knowledgeable on details, however he just doesnt appear, from the outside anyway, inspirational. My major gripe with him was the reluctance to use junior players, a criticism aimed at him during his spell at Hull. The fact he'd rather played a disinterest Mathers on the wing when we had a young Tom Johnstone waiting in the wings said everything.
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Re: Richard Agar Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:23 am  

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Agar did a podcast like the one Tom did and I found it really interesting. The guy can certainly talk.
He talks through his whole career and because he didn't have a stellar carrier like some it gives an insight into how players make decisions about their career.
But around the 50 minute mark he gets on to Wakefield which is truly eye opening. The guy gets some stick from some fans but when you listen to this it explains a lot.

I've always rated Agar and his time at Wakefield so maybe I'm biased. See what you think.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/3 ... 0510804605


Agar is an RL bureaucrat and as such his strength are installing systems etc. I know for a fact that he definitely helped modernise the club. The problem as ever was money and Agar is the kind of coach who needs money to make his plans work, he's like a great cook but one who can only do so with the best ingredients. At Trinity you need more than that, you need imagination and gut instinct, so you can take gambles on players others won't touch.

That was Kear's great strength, his coaching style and thus the club's overall systems were pretty outdated even then, but for us, he was a godsend. Agar had an initially positive impact but he couldn't sustain it because the club couldn't sustain it, bound to fail.

Until we finally got some stability from 2016 onwards most coaches no matter how good their reputations would have floundered at Trinity. Now that may no longer be the case but for our first 15 years in SL, it was.

I should think most of our SL coaches did their best, just some suited it more than others, Trinity is or at least was a difficult gig.
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Re: Richard Agar Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:25 am  

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He talks a good game and certainly seems knowledgeable on details, however he just doesnt appear, from the outside anyway, inspirational. My major gripe with him was the reluctance to use junior players, a criticism aimed at him during his spell at Hull. The fact he'd rather played a disinterest Mathers on the wing when we had a young Tom Johnstone waiting in the wings said everything.


Maybe but I also though Kear had that flaw.

CC has definitely been the coach who has given more youth players ago than any coach since Toppo.
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Re: Richard Agar Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:30 am  

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He talks a good game and certainly seems knowledgeable on details, however he just doesnt appear, from the outside anyway, inspirational. My major gripe with him was the reluctance to use junior players, a criticism aimed at him during his spell at Hull. The fact he'd rather played a disinterest Mathers on the wing when we had a young Tom Johnstone waiting in the wings said everything.

I have a lot of time for RA a seemingly nice bloke, regarding youth, he gave Jordan his debut in 2015 and Max around that time and when ever our paths cross he’s always up for a chat about Jordan. I haven’t listened to the podcast, but there is always things that we don’t know about and we are quick to have a pop without knowing all the facts , I guess that’s life. I’m sure he’s under more pressure at Leeds than he ever was at Wakefield and seems to be going in the right direction as much as I dislike them :roll:
Re: Richard Agar Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:47 am  

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I have a lot of time for RA a seemingly nice bloke, regarding youth, he gave Jordan his debut in 2015 and Max around that time and when ever our paths cross he’s always up for a chat about Jordan. I haven’t listened to the podcast, but there is always things that we don’t know about and we are quick to have a pop without knowing all the facts , I guess that’s life. I’m sure he’s under more pressure at Leeds than he ever was at Wakefield and seems to be going in the right direction as much as I dislike them :roll:


I think the problem Trinity fans have with young players is that for most of the first 15 years of SL we simply couldn't/wouldn't keep the few we found. Added to that a near-obsession with anything from down under to the point that in the mid-2000s our first choice teams were almost exclusively made up of ex NRL players and SL rejects, some of whom weren't very good. So there is a tendency now to assume whenever a young player doesn't get a run we are up to our old tricks. It will take a while for that to subside. The truth is TJ probably wasn't ready, the lad said as much himself. People have been moaning about Jowitt not being given a chance but perhaps CC knew far better than we did that he wasn't ready, he seems to think he is now, which is good for everyone.

There is so much that goes on day to day within a team dynamic that we fans don't see, yet we fans all believe we know the answers after witnessing a mere 80 minutes every other week. Sometimes coaches just know as five of them they did with Chris Anakin as an example.
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I have a lot of time for RA a seemingly nice bloke, regarding youth, he gave Jordan his debut in 2015 and Max around that time and when ever our paths cross he’s always up for a chat about Jordan. I haven’t listened to the podcast, but there is always things that we don’t know about and we are quick to have a pop without knowing all the facts , I guess that’s life. I’m sure he’s under more pressure at Leeds than he ever was at Wakefield and seems to be going in the right direction as much as I dislike them :roll:

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Re: Richard Agar Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:03 am  

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Maybe but I also though Kear had that flaw.

CC has definitely been the coach who has given more youth players ago than any coach since Toppo.


Do you think this has been a choice or something forced upon him by injuries and more recently, due to players being unavailable through covid etc

This is one area where the "bigger clubs" have a huge advantage.
The likes of Saints and Wigan are generally so comfortable in their league position that they can give their youngsters game time, knowing that should they not succeed, it wont have a detrimental effect on their league position or, put them in any danger of relegation and they also have the added luxury of being able to drop their youngsters into a winning side, giving them a better chance of progression.

The one huge plus under franchising/licensing was the ability of all clubs to be able to bring youngsters into a less pressurised environment.
There were just a few seasons when there seemed to be young players getting more opportunities and it was refreshing to see.

The one certainty is that if/when it gets tight at the end of the season, every club goes with experience over youth
Re: Richard Agar Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:15 am  

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He talks in the interview about recruitment.

It's interesting to hear the conversations he had with MC when they were trying to sort things out.
He mentions asking them to not resign good players because he needed good players in a different position (and unlike the big clubs, we can't afford both)
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Do you think this has been a choice or something forced upon him by injuries and more recently, due to players being unavailable through covid etc

This is one area where the "bigger clubs" have a huge advantage.
The likes of Saints and Wigan are generally so comfortable in their league position that they can give their youngsters game time, knowing that should they not succeed, it wont have a detrimental effect on their league position or, put them in any danger of relegation and they also have the added luxury of being able to drop their youngsters into a winning side, giving them a better chance of progression.

The one huge plus under franchising/licensing was the ability of all clubs to be able to bring youngsters into a less pressurised environment.
There were just a few seasons when there seemed to be young players getting more opportunities and it was refreshing to see.

The one certainty is that if/when it gets tight at the end of the season, every club goes with experience over youth


Last year certainly yes but not in general. The careers of TJ, Crowther and Jowitt have been pretty steady and planned as far as I can see.
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