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Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:34 pm
Posted by cosmicat on Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:34 pm
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Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:52 pm
Posted by Big lads mate on Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:52 pm
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Can’t get my head around this, I know it’s on telly but they are half a hour less travelling to Salford than Wakey fans. Suppose they will always be poorly supported.
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Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:06 pm
Posted by JINJER on Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:06 pm
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Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:39 pm
Posted by Willzay on Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:39 pm
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JINJER wrote:
We can hardly take the Micky, if we play on Sunday we might just get 4K


Hardly comparable.
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Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:16 pm
Posted by musson on Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:16 pm
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Shudds lack of support is shocking
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Post Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:48 pm
Posted by Jo Jumbuck on Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:48 pm
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musson wrote:
Shudds lack of support is shocking


It doesn't shock me at all. The giants away support has been awful for years, although its not as bad as some would have it. Their home support is the same as yours and that is on the back of 3 dismal seasons. Huddersfield is a Soccer town, that's just how it is, Be glad Wakey don't have a soccer team. Good luck on Sunday by the way ( if it's not called off )
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Post Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:25 am
Posted by Willzay on Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:25 am
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Jo Jumbuck wrote:
It doesn't shock me at all. The giants away support has been awful for years, although its not as bad as some would have it. Their home support is the same as yours and that is on the back of 3 dismal seasons. Huddersfield is a Soccer town, that's just how it is, Be glad Wakey don't have a soccer team. Good luck on Sunday by the way ( if it's not called off )


Better stadium, and indisputably Hudds have had more success then Trinity in SL era. Not to mention recently cheapened tickets.
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Post Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:31 am
Posted by Fishermanscap on Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:31 am
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It’s one of the great oddities of British sport, it happens a lot in football but it’s rife in RL.

It’s money going to the wrong clubs.

Now millionaires and Councils are free to invest in whom ever they wish so this is not a dig at either. It’s just an observation.

Salford and especially Hudds have never been popular well supported clubs. Yes, Salford have done better in that they were genuinely successful and popular for a brief spell in the 70’s. Hudds glory era frankly belongs to a different age but then so does ours.

Yet both these clubs have got all the breaks despite neither appearing even close to being viable, certainly not in the SL era. Rich benefactors and free brand spanking stadiums, yet both continue to fail. Why? Who knows.

Contrast that to both of Wakefield’s SL clubs. Neither has ever had what you’d call a real sugar daddy. Both play out of decrepit grounds and one (us) has not reached a major final since 1979!

Yet somehow we still appear far more viable than either Salford or Hudds and that’s despite the latter’s financial advantage. Cas are far superior to both. The fact that we are still in SL says it all, it’s a triumph of willpower from the supporters imho.

Imagine if either of us had received the breaks those two clubs have had. The Cas v Wakefield derby would no longer be a one sided novelty derby but possibly one of the biggest out there.

We are not alone, both Bradford and Widnes have far more potential but neither have received the breaks. Sure Bradford had its moment but as we now know it was built on sand and they will take years to recover, or maybe they never will.

What’s certain is that none of the clubs mentioned seem to attract truly rich men and only Widnes can say it benefitted from council support.

As I say it’s luck of the draw but it always strike me as odd just how often money flows to the clubs with the least potential.

Here’s a striking example, Man City are now the top team in Manchester on the field. Yet off it they still lag massively behind United in every respect. History, support, brand, you name it. They can’t fill their ground for most games yet United still has a 25 year waiting list and it going up! You may hate them, a lot do but you can’t deny like Liverpool their success is genuine and like Liverpool you know they will come back whilst City will fade. Football success is in the DNA of both the scousers and United and that DNA is important.

True in City’s case money has bought success but will it last? Only so long as the Arabs keep funding it, we all know that.

Trinity are ripe for success and development, we are a rarity in RL. We are a club that is nowhere near it’s true potential. Sleeping giant may be over doing it but with what the likes of Hudds have received I’m utterly convinced we would achieve so much more than them. You only have to look at the massive turnouts we suddenly get for semi finals and relegation deciders, it’s clearly there.

In places like Cas and Wakefield RL is in our DNA, maybe not as much as it once was but it’s still there in enough quantity for us to be up there with the Warrington of this world. Remember it’s only 20 years since the Wire were no better than bog average and lived on a hovel. But look what money and a new ground had done to a club that did always have potential and did have RL DNA.

Anyone bought a lottery ticket? :D

Ps. No offence to Hudds or Salford fans it’s not your fault it’s just how I see it.
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Post Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:48 am
Posted by wrencat1873 on Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:48 am
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Fishermanscap wrote:
It’s one of the great oddities of British sport, it happens a lot in football but it’s rife in RL.

It’s money going to the wrong clubs.

Now millionaires and Councils are free to invest in whom ever they wish so this is not a dig at either. It’s just an observation.

Salford and especially Hudds have never been popular well supported clubs. Yes, Salford have done better in that they were genuinely successful and popular for a brief spell in the 70’s. Hudds glory era frankly belongs to a different age but then so does ours.

Yet both these clubs have got all the breaks despite neither appearing even close to being viable, certainly not in the SL era. Rich benefactors and free brand spanking stadiums, yet both continue to fail. Why? Who knows.

Contrast that to both of Wakefield’s SL clubs. Neither has ever had what you’d call a real sugar daddy. Both play out of decrepit grounds and one (us) has not reached a major final since 1979!

Yet somehow we still appear far more viable than either Salford or Hudds and that’s despite the latter’s financial advantage. Cas are far superior to both. The fact that we are still in SL says it all, it’s a triumph of willpower from the supporters imho.

Imagine if either of us had received the breaks those two clubs have had. The Cas v Wakefield derby would no longer be a one sided novelty derby but possibly one of the biggest out there.

We are not alone, both Bradford and Widnes have far more potential but neither have received the breaks. Sure Bradford had its moment but as we now know it was built on sand and they will take years to recover, or maybe they never will.

What’s certain is that none of the clubs mentioned seem to attract truly rich men and only Widnes can say it benefitted from council support.

As I say it’s luck of the draw but it always strike me as odd just how often money flows to the clubs with the least potential.

Here’s a striking example, Man City are now the top team in Manchester on the field. Yet off it they still lag massively behind United in every respect. History, support, brand, you name it. They can’t fill their ground for most games yet United still has a 25 year waiting list and it going up! You may hate them, a lot do but you can’t deny like Liverpool their success is genuine and like Liverpool you know they will come back whilst City will fade. Football success is in the DNA of both the scousers and United and that DNA is important.

True in City’s case money has bought success but will it last? Only so long as the Arabs keep funding it, we all know that.

Trinity are ripe for success and development, we are a rarity in RL. We are a club that is nowhere near it’s true potential. Sleeping giant may be over doing it but with what the likes of Hudds have received I’m utterly convinced we would achieve so much more than them. You only have to look at the massive turnouts we suddenly get for semi finals and relegation deciders, it’s clearly there.

In places like Cas and Wakefield RL is in our DNA, maybe not as much as it once was but it’s still there in enough quantity for us to be up there with the Warrington of this world. Remember it’s only 20 years since the Wire were no better than bog average and lived on a hovel. But look what money and a new ground had done to a club that did always have potential and did have RL DNA.

Anyone bought a lottery ticket? :D

Ps. No offence to Hudds or Salford fans it’s not your fault it’s just how I see it.


The "free" brand spanking new stadiums just isn't true.
Yes, they have been built but, the rent charged, together with how match day revenue is shared our, has crippled Salford.
Huddersfield are different, as they have Mr Davey to make up any shortfall, which definitely makes a huge difference.

Sustained on field success is the only way to genuinely increase crowds and all the money in the world doesn't guarantee that.
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Post Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:04 am
Posted by Fishermanscap on Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:04 am
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wrencat1873 wrote:
The "free" brand spanking new stadiums just isn't true.
Yes, they have been built but, the rent charged, together with how match day revenue is shared our, has crippled Salford.
Huddersfield are different, as they have Mr Davey to make up any shortfall, which definitely makes a huge difference.

Sustained on field success is the only way to genuinely increase crowds and all the money in the world doesn't guarantee that.


Oh come on mate, artistic license. You get the point though surly? True there are pitfalls as you’ve noted but they are still in a better place than us.

Also remember this, the reason the rents etc are such an issue is because Salford in particular have failed to provide the revenue that I suspect they projected. It’s not Peels fault that Salford can’t fill the stadium that was built for them. I think we could and although it’s not ideal we’d probably do ok.

I think at this point I better give some idea of what I think our potential is.

Playing from a modernised BV with a team up to the cap on a good year I reckon we could average 8-9k. Not top end but sustainable. However we do have certain advantages that if e are canny we can exploit to offset the bigger clubs.

One, we are in the hot bed of the game and need to exploit the local areas playing potential far more, 8-9k would allow that. Two, we also have a strong local business community who I think have become far more receptive to the club in recent years. Three we are a one team one sport city, football is not a real threat since summer rugby and again we can exploit this and grow.

We only need to make a modest improvement to move a long way forward. A half decent stadium and a few thousand more through the gate and we are there. Hell we are almost competitive now relatively speaking, I honestly believe it wouldn’t take much.
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