Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:30 am  

supersuperfc wrote:

You’re right mate. Who needs agents. I have no doubt that a professional sports team with in house legal teams etc wouldn’t try and pull a fast one with a young up and coming lad.

Sorry but that’s rubbish. If we were talking complex multi million pound deals in far off lands as in football then yes. However we are not, what we are talking here for the vast majority of players depending on ability is similar money to that paid to a staring GP, a deputy manager at a supermarket or a police officer after finishing his probationary period.

None of the above require an agent. You don’t need to be a genius to be a copper. Yes they have unions of sorts but nothing to match an agent.

They are simply not needed. All that’s needed is a players union who send a representative to any negotiation. There job is not to negotiate but to advise. Legal advise and financial advise. Basically to say whether the deal on offer is fair and above board NOT whether it’s the best. The latter is the players task and I don’t care how allegedly dim they are, that’s life, that’s their responsibility and ultimately their call.

Maybe if they were forced to make hard real world decisions off the pitch like the rest of us then some might also make better on field calls, it’s called growing up, just a thought.

Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:34 am  

Fishermanscap wrote:

Sorry but that’s rubbish. If we were talking complex multi million pound deals in far off lands as in football then yes. However we are not, what we are talking here for the vast majority of players depending on ability is similar money to that paid to a staring GP, a deputy manager at a supermarket or a police officer after finishing his probationary period.

None of the above require an agent. You don’t need to be a genius to be a copper. Yes they have unions of sorts but nothing to match an agent.

They are simply not needed. All that’s needed is a players union who send a representative to any negotiation. There job is not to negotiate but to advise. Legal advise and financial advise. Basically to say whether the deal on offer is fair and above board NOT whether it’s the best. The latter is the players task and I don’t care how allegedly dim they are, that’s life, that’s their responsibility and ultimately their call.

Maybe if they were forced to make hard real world decisions off the pitch like the rest of us then some might also make better on field calls, it’s called growing up, just a thought.

Whilst I agree in broad terms with this, without some guidance, there would be players, particularly the younger ones, getting short changed and whilst the balance of power may be too much in the wrong direction a decent agent can see the bigger picture and not just the £ signs.
Many of course are greedy, self serving whatsits.

Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:11 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Whilst I agree in broad terms with this, without some guidance, there would be players, particularly the younger ones, getting short changed and whilst the balance of power may be too much in the wrong direction a decent agent can see the bigger picture and not just the £ signs.
Many of course are greedy, self serving whatsits.

We all get short changed or make wrong choices at some point in our young lives, I don’t see why sportsman are in any way special or more important than some young kid starting a career in engineering for example. And yes I realise it’s a short career but most are if you balls them up. As I say if we are talking millions of pounds I get it but RL isn’t in that class, I actually hope it never is.

This is part of the problem with pro sport, we over emote it and tend to give players more importance than they warrant. I know it works both ways and it’s not an ordinary job but everything comes with a price.

For me there is no place in our sport for agents apart from a few players operating at the top end ie Sam Burgess etc. That’s only because the figures and complexity involved does start to become specialist.

Young player signing for a club like Trinity, basic representation to protect against obvious exploitation (which is unlikely imo) is all that’s required, you don’t need an agent taking a cut for that imho.

Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:49 am  

All clubs wether football or RL will try and get their players as cheap as possible, like companies will pay the lowest wages if they could all get away with it, always remember, you’re just a number or in sport a piece of meat

Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:50 am  

Fishermanscap wrote:

None of the above require an agent. You don’t need to be a genius to be a copper. Yes they have unions of sorts but nothing to match an agent.
The latter is the players task and I don’t care how allegedly dim they are, that’s life, that’s their responsibility and ultimately their call.

Maybe if they were forced to make hard real world decisions off the pitch like the rest of us then some might also make better on field calls, it’s called growing up, just a thought.

If you don't have to be a genius to be a copper where does the criteria start, presumably from your opinion it's somewhere well below your rank in life, maybe a lorry driver or dustman, or a scaffolder, perhaps you'd like to share your thoughts as to the starting point of being a career genius, it certainly won't be a rugby player as you've already made that clear

Perhaps while your on a roll you could explain why in your world rugby players don't have to make real hard life decisions like the rest of us do, don't they have mortgages and mouths to feed etc, it would be interesting to know how you link that to making better on field decisions also, well at least we now know the meaning of growing up

Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:56 am  

Brian Clough’s attitude towards agents was the best, some funny stories on How he dealt with them.

Up the Trin

Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:41 am  

Fishermanscap wrote:

Sorry but that’s rubbish. If we were talking complex multi million pound deals in far off lands as in football then yes. However we are not, what we are talking here for the vast majority of players depending on ability is similar money to that paid to a staring GP, a deputy manager at a supermarket or a police officer after finishing his probationary period.

None of the above require an agent. You don’t need to be a genius to be a copper. Yes they have unions of sorts but nothing to match an agent.

They are simply not needed. All that’s needed is a players union who send a representative to any negotiation. There job is not to negotiate but to advise. Legal advise and financial advise. Basically to say whether the deal on offer is fair and above board NOT whether it’s the best. The latter is the players task and I don’t care how allegedly dim they are, that’s life, that’s their responsibility and ultimately their call.

Maybe if they were forced to make hard real world decisions off the pitch like the rest of us then some might also make better on field calls, it’s called growing up, just a thought.

For the record all new police applicants have to be degree level qualified or be studying towards one.

Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:08 pm  

Sacred Cow wrote:

For the record all new police applicants have to be degree level qualified or be studying towards one.

It’s not intelligence in any job it’s common sense and I’m afraid majority of the younger generation and hell of a lot of the older ones haven’t got any.

Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:21 pm  

Slightly tongue in cheek,but the young 'uns are on a treadmill and will need a degree to dig a hole in the ground eventually, and saddled with a massive debt.Crackers!

Re: Rocky : Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:31 pm  

madkeentrin wrote:

Slightly tongue in cheek,but the young 'uns are on a treadmill and will need a degree to dig a hole in the ground eventually, and saddled with a massive debt.Crackers!

dont despair boris will sort it