[John_D]

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:55 am  

Stand-Offish wrote:

I remember Shilton getting every single one wrong not so many years ago. He made himself look like a chump.

Compare that to Petr Cech in the European Cup final. He went the right way on every one. There had clearly been some homework done.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:14 am  

Cibaman wrote:

Cole coped well enough with the pressure of taking a penalty in a Champions League final but looked incredibly nervous yesterday.

I could say that Cole knew he wouldn't have been blamed for a miss because he is supported as a Chelsea player. As an England player he will know that the majority of "supporters" would instantly turn on him and revert back to hating him as soon as the pen didn't go in.

So personally I'd say that most England supporters got what they deserved yesterday.

But TBH I don't even think that had anything to do with it. Three of the greatest players in the world today - Messi, Ronaldo and Robben - have all missed massively important penalties recently for their clubs. Those players have skill, technique, and especially the first two, goalscoring ability that most players cannot even dream of matching.

I think that most players will knock on something like 92% of the pens that they take. Awesome penalty specialists (like LeBoueff was at Chelsea) will get 95%. Bad penalty takers (like possibly Mata at Chelsea) will be at 89%.

The much bigger problem that the FA needs to look at is why England arrived at the Euros with so few players of genuine international class.

I think even a fantastic FA would struggle to find a solution for this. But I think the FA are in a similar shape to our squad.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:20 am  

Will ashley young become a hate figure in english football?

He was lready disliked because of his diving, and now, with this penalty miss............

All you had to do was hit the target ashley.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:27 am  

Cibaman wrote:

The much bigger problem that the FA needs to look at is why England arrived at the Euros with so few players of genuine international class.

Yeah.

I think one of the problems inherrent in english football is there's no humility.

We think because we created the game, because we have the most watched domestic competition with many of the best foreign players that we have a right to be winning these major tournaments.

The FA just sit back and think, a new manager will get something to click, we'll get a bit of luck or ''it'll be our time''.

But theres just no humility to say, well hang on a second, this nation is way in front of us, this nation is, and that nation is, we need to be doing this to improve ourselves.

When was the last time we produced a midfielder with the technical ability and footballing brain of pirlo?

[John_D]

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:26 am  

To produce players, we must first produce coaches. There are 10 times as many UEFA A and B licensed coaches in Spain, France and Germany than there are over here. This has been the case for a long time, but there seems little will to rectify the situation.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:29 am  

John_D wrote:

To produce players, we must first produce coaches. There are 10 times as many UEFA A and B licensed coaches in Spain, France and Germany than there are over here. This has been the case for a long time, but there seems little will to rectify the situation.

We don't need to, we have the best league in the world. We were just unlucky. 2014 will be our year

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:41 am  

International football sucks anyway. Club football all the way.

Most England supporters at the game are supporters of sides like Southampton and Accrington Stanley. They are used to dross.

So the FA should leave things as they are. They've done a good job in getting rid of a highly expensive coach and replaced him with a journeyman. That journeyman was managing players of his same level and achieved so much more with them. So that's a big bonus for the FA.

The biggest thing that the FA must be stopped from implementing is forcing English clubs from being handicapped by having to play English players. That will be hurting the clubs with almost zero improvement to the England team. Just let them be poor and save the resources for the club game.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:46 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

International football sucks anyway. Club football all the way.

Most England supporters at the game are supporters of sides like Southampton and Accrington Stanley. They are used to dross.

So the FA should leave things as they are. They've done a good job in getting rid of a highly expensive coach and replaced him with a journeyman. That journeyman was managing players of his same level and achieved so much more with them. So that's a big bonus for the FA.

The biggest thing that the FA must be stopped from implementing is forcing English clubs from being handicapped by having to play English players. That will be hurting the clubs with almost zero improvement to the England team. Just let them be poor and save the resources for the club game.

That's a dissapointing attitude.

Maybe england should have appointed 'hose' mourinho.

You'd have your own shrine to england at the end of your bed if that was the case.

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:52 am  

Wilbred T Pricklepop wrote:

That's a dissapointing attitude.

Maybe england should have appointed 'hose' mourinho.

You'd have your own shrine to england at the end of your bed if that was the case.

Your mum took down your shrine to Jordan, didn't she?

[John_D]

Re: Football Chat Thread - Euro 2012 edition : Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:02 pm  

Wilbred T Pricklepop wrote:

We don't need to, we have the best league in the world. We were just unlucky. 2014 will be our year

Indeed. Just need more PASSION.