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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:19 pm  
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:19 pm  

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Game confirmed for the Friday on Sky
Were have you seen this?
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:30 pm  
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Were have you seen this?


Saints have confirmed it.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:34 pm  
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Saints have confirmed it.

Thanks
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:16 pm  
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Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:32 pm  
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Well if we're only talking about recent games then your done as we can't look beyond them to see that you're potentially better than your recent form. Strangely, when it comes to Saints, you're not operating by the same rules and are using earlier form to say how good you could be in a month's time with literally no evidence that this will happen. Yet when it comes to Wigan, only recent games count so we "can't say how good they are" (sic). Have a word with yourself mate.

Yes, we were the better team at magic until we had a man sent off. Apart from an early penalty, you were never in front in that game. The scoreboard doesn't lie.

Of course, 1 team winning with 12 against a toothless opponent (you still need to clarify this point if you want to go back there Stu) means ALL teams should win, regardless of any other circumstances or who the opposition are. Yeah, that makes perfect sense...


The better team at magic???You never got out of your half for the first 30 minutes.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:54 pm  
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Phuzzy wrote:
Well if we're only talking about recent games then your done as we can't look beyond them to see that you're potentially better than your recent form. Strangely, when it comes to Saints, you're not operating by the same rules and are using earlier form to say how good you could be in a month's time with literally no evidence that this will happen. Yet when it comes to Wigan, only recent games count so we "can't say how good they are" (sic). Have a word with yourself mate.

Yes, we were the better team at magic until we had a man sent off. Apart from an early penalty, you were never in front in that game. The scoreboard doesn't lie.

Of course, 1 team winning with 12 against a toothless opponent (you still need to clarify this point if you want to go back there Stu) means ALL teams should win, regardless of any other circumstances or who the opposition are. Yeah, that makes perfect sense...


Saints were easily the better team at Magic for me. They did what they do best which is suffocate with their defence and play the game almost entirely in our 40. We still could have won with fewer unforced errors (the biggest one being Isa's at the end) but we need to find a way to avoid them winning the territory battle to the extent that they did.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:05 pm  
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Saints were easily the better team at Magic for me. They did what they do best which is suffocate with their defence and play the game almost entirely in our 40. We still could have won with fewer unforced errors (the biggest one being Isa's at the end) but we need to find a way to avoid them winning the territory battle to the extent that they did.


Just ask the referee to enforce the offside rule that should do it.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:33 am  
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The better team at magic???You never got out of your half for the first 30 minutes.

Yet you managed only a penalty and, that aside, were behind on the scoreboard for almost the entire match. Go figure.

You speak as if territory is the be all an end all when, in fact, it's only one metric among many. You can spend 79 minutes in the opposition half but if you fail to score and the opposition score during the 1 minute in yours, you lose. That doesn't make you the better team. Just the one with the most territorial advantage that you fail to turn into points. See how that works?

Answer me this: You recently beat Huddersfield with 12 men on the pitch. If they spent more time in your half than you did in theirs in that match does that make them the better team on the day?
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:29 am  
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Yet you managed only a penalty and, that aside, were behind on the scoreboard for almost the entire match. Go figure.

You speak as if territory is the be all an end all when, in fact, it's only one metric among many. You can spend 79 minutes in the opposition half but if you fail to score and the opposition score during the 1 minute in yours, you lose. That doesn't make you the better team. Just the one with the most territorial advantage that you fail to turn into points. See how that works?

Answer me this: You recently beat Huddersfield with 12 men on the pitch. If they spent more time in your half than you did in theirs in that match does that make them the better team on the day?


You're like a dog with a bone aren't you. I bet you are one of these people that argues night is day and vice versa :D

Your own coach admitted we were the better team (as do some other Wigan fans) and what are you actually achieving if indeed you were the better team? You still lost. I don't get why you are so pedantic over this.
Re: Wigan v Sts discussion Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:01 pm  
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You're like a dog with a bone aren't you. I bet you are one of these people that argues night is day and vice versa :D

Your own coach admitted we were the better team (as do some other Wigan fans) and what are you actually achieving if indeed you were the better team? You still lost. I don't get why you are so pedantic over this.

Our own coach said you were the better team because we lost. Do you think he would have said you were the better team had we won?

I'm like a dog with a bone because I'm suck to the back teeth of such as yourself saying that the only thing that matters is territory as if nothing else matters. Winning the territorial battle is important but no more important than error rate, for example. You can have all the territory you want but if you drop the ball at the end of every set, you won't win!

I've said before that, for a team like ours, territory is not even the most important metric. We can..and regularly do..score from anywhere on the field. Errors and penalties are therefore FAR more important than territory. Unlike yourselves who generally need to win the territory battle to score.

At the end of the day territory is the most important metric to your team. If you keep judging who is the better team by what Saints need to do to win then, in your opinion, you'll always be better because you're judging by your standards. As I pointed out, the only metric that ultimately counts is the scoreboard and, penalty aside, you were never ahead in that until we had a man sent off. You can cry "but we had the most territory" all you want but it doesn't change that fact.

By the way, when it comes to a dog with a bone it's rich that you can't let any reference to Saints not being the super dooper best team in Superleague pass without comment. Calling the kettle black much?
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