Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:56 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Are you actually being serious, or on the windup?

We don't own a stadium - how is that good? See the post above from NK who mentions/suggests that our biggest game of the season could be on a Thursday and the potential impact that will have on the gate.

We rightly talk about numbers through the gate and how we need more. The club could get a decent crowd tomorrow night and should be applauded for their efforts, sadly tho it could be taken away with the potential reduction Vs Saints. How is that good?

We send fans to Robin Park (a place I like btw) pre-match, but some still go in the SS bar. Obviously the club want them at RP as it makes more money. Would it not be better to house them in a stadium we own?

This is not aimed at you in particular - or Conroy etc.

But it is what it is
Trust me - there are a couple of people on this forum who know quite a bit about the ground situation, what went on through Latics administration, what the councils position would be on any new ground etc. & what the terms of the previous deal were and what has been agreed moving forward

But the simple fact is this
The people who own our club currently believe with ALL the information available it is the best solution currently to have a ground share with whatever deal they have agreed
Unless any of us have ALL of that info our opinions are nothing more than opinions not based on facts

I am 100% sure that both CEO's will have had these conversations prior to the EFL fixtures being announced, and preliminary agreements & options will have been discussed.
Maybe we will need to move a game or 2 to another night, maybe we won't
Maybe we will play back to back, maybe we won't
etc. etc.

The previous regime were losing nearly 1.5million a year running the stadium - I would suggest that's 1 reason why it wouldn't be good to own the stadium - Maybe owning it we could cut costs, make it work to our advantage etc. etc. who knows

What I will say is that given the current financial situation and spiralling utilities etc. I wouldn't want to own it.

Anyway

I'm sure there will be an announcement soon, I won't be too worried what it is, I'll just get on with enjoying watching the games rather than speculating and worrying about Hypotheticals

Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:06 pm  

It is what it is. Clearly, in the short term, there is no alternative, and that doesn't sound so awful, especially in the current economic climate. And in the long-term, who knows?

Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:06 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Are you actually being serious, or on the windup?

We don't own a stadium - how is that good? See the post above from NK who mentions/suggests that our biggest game of the season could be on a Thursday and the potential impact that will have on the gate.

We rightly talk about numbers through the gate and how we need more. The club could get a decent crowd tomorrow night and should be applauded for their efforts, sadly tho it could be taken away with the potential reduction Vs Saints. How is that good?

We send fans to Robin Park (a place I like btw) pre-match, but some still go in the SS bar. Obviously the club want them at RP as it makes more money. Would it not be better to house them in a stadium we own?

There are actually more sporting clubs that don't own their own stadium than you would think and one of the big reasons is that the cost that it takes to maintain them and the fact that for the majority of the time they are empty or only a small section is being used.

There have been multiple improvements to the stadium over the last few weeks according to Latics, and WRL will have paid the square root of zero towards the majority if not all of them yet they get to utilise every one of them to their own advantage.

Owning a stadium is not the be all and end all (see the reasons for leaving CP as evidence)

Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:08 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

This is not aimed at you in particular - or Conroy etc.

But it is what it is
Trust me - there are a couple of people on this forum who know quite a bit about the ground situation, what went on through Latics administration, what the councils position would be on any new ground etc. & what the terms of the previous deal were and what has been agreed moving forward

But the simple fact is this
The people who own our club currently believe with ALL the information available it is the best solution currently to have a ground share with whatever deal they have agreed
Unless any of us have ALL of that info our opinions are nothing more than opinions not based on facts

I am 100% sure that both CEO's will have had these conversations prior to the EFL fixtures being announced, and preliminary agreements & options will have been discussed.
Maybe we will need to move a game or 2 to another night, maybe we won't
Maybe we will play back to back, maybe we won't
etc. etc.

The previous regime were losing nearly 1.5million a year running the stadium - I would suggest that's 1 reason why it wouldn't be good to own the stadium - Maybe owning it we could cut costs, make it work to our advantage etc. etc. who knows

What I will say is that given the current financial situation and spiralling utilities etc. I wouldn't want to own it.

Anyway

I'm sure there will be an announcement soon, I won't be too worried what it is, I'll just get on with enjoying watching the games rather than speculating and worrying about Hypotheticals

The stadium used to lose money hand over fist. The upkeep costs alone are staggering, and that's before idiots smash windows, break seats or a bit of bad weather rips the pitch apart.

Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:09 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Are you actually being serious, or on the windup?

We don't own a stadium - how is that good? See the post above from NK who mentions/suggests that our biggest game of the season could be on a Thursday and the potential impact that will have on the gate.

We rightly talk about numbers through the gate and how we need more. The club could get a decent crowd tomorrow night and should be applauded for their efforts, sadly tho it could be taken away with the potential reduction Vs Saints. How is that good?

We send fans to Robin Park (a place I like btw) pre-match, but some still go in the SS bar. Obviously the club want them at RP as it makes more money. Would it not be better to house them in a stadium we own?

You don't know any then?

The date the Saints game is played isn't even in our hands to begin with. If Sky decide they want it Thursday for viewing figures then it's Thursday whether we own the stadium, the town or the RFL.

Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:11 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

The previous regime were losing nearly 1.5million a year running the stadium

Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:28 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

You don't know any then?

The date the Saints game is played isn't even in our hands to begin with. If Sky decide they want it Thursday for viewing figures then it's Thursday whether we own the stadium, the town or the RFL.

Go and find someone else to windup pal.

Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:56 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Go and find someone else to windup pal.

I'll take that as you still don't know

Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:00 pm  

Any chance a Mod can lock this?

Re: Latics v Burnley : Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:23 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

But the simple fact is this
The people who own our club currently believe with ALL the information available it is the best solution currently to have a ground share with whatever deal they have agreed
Unless any of us have ALL of that info our opinions are nothing more than opinions not based on facts

I am

I do get what you are saying, but this is my issue on a few things - it's always IL did this, so it has to be the best way of doing it and, as such, there's no room to say the opposite.

What I'm saying is, you could give everyone on here £1m and four options on how to invest it. We'll all take different options based off how risk adverse we are.

Just because IL has all the facts, doesn't make his decision the only option. I don't know everything, that's certainly clear, but I do know that plenty of sporting teams, across a numerous sports make it work. I like to think that we could.