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The biggest difference in NRL and Super League players seems to be their ball handling and agility. They seem to be able to catch and pass the ball faster and more accurate and are also more agile and less rigid, especially the backs.

How is this possible, is it the training they do, something to do with the year round weather being able to train in better conditions?
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For me it's the ruck and line speed thats the key difference (among many). When I turn on SL on the back of watching NRL it's like it's in slow motion. Too many English teams coached to push the boundaries of a penalty for lying on.

I can't imagine the Aussies have dedicated sessions on how to slow down the ruck to the fraction of being penalised.

Attacking players bounce up from tackles and the defensive line will fly up and meet the ball carrier within a second of receiving the ball. The territory is won and lost by line speed vs the forwards power, as it should be.
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I wouldn't like to say exactly why because I would be guessing but for me the biggest difference for many, many years has been the basic skill levels being so much higher in the NRL across all levels. The OP is correct but it goes further than that - in all aspects such as positioning in the line , support play and play making decisions the NRL has been ahead (we have layers who can match but not across the whole game). I suspect coaching at junior levels is probably a major factor.

It was interesting in that Saints improved so much under the last coach (and looked more like a NRL team) so obviously the impact of coaching is huge but I suspect there are cultural differences as well in how the game is played between the two.
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ArcticGorilla wrote:
For me it's the ruck and line speed thats the key difference (among many). When I turn on SL on the back of watching NRL it's like it's in slow motion. Too many English teams coached to push the boundaries of a penalty for lying on.

I can't imagine the Aussies have dedicated sessions on how to slow down the ruck to the fraction of being penalised.

Attacking players bounce up from tackles and the defensive
line will fly up and meet the ball carrier within a second of receiving the ball. The territory is won and lost by line speed vs the forwards power, as it should be.


The reason it looks better and faster is because the Referee's in the NRL, ignore many of the things which our Referees blow up for and allow the game to flow!
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I wouldn't like to say exactly why because I would be guessing but for me the biggest difference for many, many years has been the basic skill levels being so much higher in the NRL across all levels. The OP is correct but it goes further than that - in all aspects such as positioning in the line , support play and play making decisions the NRL has been ahead (we have layers who can match but not across the whole game). I suspect coaching at junior levels is probably a major factor.

It was interesting in that Saints improved so much under the last coach (and looked more like a NRL team) so obviously the impact of coaching is huge but I suspect there are cultural differences as well in how the game is played between the two.


Most NRL players in high pressure situations just look more comfortable with the ball, everything looks slick and refined, kind of like what they are doing is second nature to them whilst many SL players look rushed, clumsy and rigid.

Its interesting that Wayne Bennett once said, many English players dont even know how to pick up a RL ball correctly. Im not sure what he meant and im no big fan of Bennett, i think he is good coach but over-rated but obviously he knows what he is talking about.

For me, i just dont think SL players spend enough time with the balls in hand and perfecting skills. It would be interesting to hear an honest opinion of players that have played in both hemispheres recently to find out if there are big differences in the training regimes.
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Saw this on Canterbury Bulldogs' Twitter this morning of ball handling training:
https://twitter.com/NRL_Bulldogs/status ... 4719114242

Would be good to see content like this coming from SL clubs.
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ArcticGorilla wrote:
For me it's the ruck and line speed thats the key difference (among many). When I turn on SL on the back of watching NRL it's like it's in slow motion. Too many English teams coached to push the boundaries of a penalty for lying on.

I can't imagine the Aussies have dedicated sessions on how to slow down the ruck to the fraction of being penalised.

Attacking players bounce up from tackles and the defensive line will fly up and meet the ball carrier within a second of receiving the ball. The territory is won and lost by line speed vs the forwards power, as it should be.



The Australians brought that tactic over here, wrestling and getting man on his back on the floor. Nathan Brown was a big leader over here in that followed by Madge. Sound daft but they have mastered it the other way now in that the attackers now technically getting on there front more meaning quicker play the balls. Having a ref in the ruck has also improved this. Quicker play the balls will return to these shores at some point.
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exiled Warrior wrote:
I wouldn't like to say exactly why because I would be guessing but for me the biggest difference for many, many years has been the basic skill levels being so much higher in the NRL across all levels. The OP is correct but it goes further than that - in all aspects such as positioning in the line , support play and play making decisions the NRL has been ahead (we have layers who can match but not across the whole game). I suspect coaching at junior levels is probably a major factor.

It was interesting in that Saints improved so much under the last coach (and looked more like a NRL team) so obviously the impact of coaching is huge but I suspect there are cultural differences as well in how the game is played between the two.



Saints did improve a lot thats for certain but do you remember how bad they were under Cunningham? There was room for plenty improvement that was for sure.
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Post Sun May 17, 2020 9:15 am
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fitness, fitness and fitness, we saw it when Madge came over how much a difference it made
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JonnyBroad wrote:
Saints did improve a lot thats for certain but do you remember how bad they were under Cunningham? There was room for plenty improvement that was for sure.


No argument there, but look how much they improved compared to other teams in the league at the time. Saints looked head and shoulders better than everyone else and that was not because they had players who are so much better than anyone else......
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