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Re: Tautai - Drink driving.
Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:42 pm
Posted by Wigg'n on Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:42 pm
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If someone on my team at work got caught drink-driving is it my/the businesses fault? It wouldn't even enter my mind that it's a workplace culture issue.

Why is it a Wigan problem that TT has put himself in this position? Yes he is a public figure and represents the club but the responsibility to behave off the field starts and ends with him.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:44 pm
Posted by moto748 on Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:44 pm
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One thing that always strikes me with drink-driving cases, (and you only have to read the Court cases in the local paper to see this) is that nearly always, it seems, the culprits are "two times"or "three times" over the limit. In other words, putting the most charitable slant possible on it, it's seldom a case of "I shouldn't have had that extra half-pint", and more like "I was s***-faced"!

And of course, if you're driving around at 4.10 am, you are going to attract the attention of the police.

And as others have said, taking into account the other misdemeanours we've seen lately, this is shameful for the club. Action needs to taken. I can't accept Wigg'n's view that it's nothing to do with the club.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:59 pm
Posted by apollosghost on Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:59 pm
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The culture at the club stinks to high heaven, get beat by one of your local rivals in a show piece event and the reaction is to go out and get shitfaced.
I've no doubt it's safe to assume he wasn't the only one, he's just the mug who got caught :FRUSRATED:
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:03 pm
Posted by Grimmy on Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:03 pm
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I fail to see how it's the club's fault. What are they meant to do, assign each player a minder to watch them during their personal time (job opening for Nottinghamtiger)? The players know the consequences. I'd say the club deserve some blame on the Hardaker one (signing a proven idiot), but couldn't have really foreseen it with Mullen or Tautai. I wonder if we can use this as a reason to get him off the books......probably not given that Hardaker and Mullen are still here.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:26 pm
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Wigg'n wrote:
If someone on my team at work got caught drink-driving is it my/the businesses fault? It wouldn't even enter my mind that it's a workplace culture issue.


Two totally different worlds. As someone in the public eye who represents the club in their each and every action they need to behave accordingly. If I was to get done for drink driving they won't list my employer and TBH it probably won't make the news unless I kill someone. A rugby player drink driving will always make the news and puts a marker against the name of the club.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:53 pm
Posted by MadDogg on Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:53 pm
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When the club next begin to wonder why attendances are down, perhaps they should ask themselves why the Wigan public would want to watch a team of incompetent liars, cheats and criminals play bad rugby league?
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:55 pm
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Wtf is he doing out at 4.10 in the morning ?!?! Off to get some more alcohol maybe? The club's culture is in the gutter at the moment and needs sorting asap!
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Wigg'n wrote:
If someone on my team at work got caught drink-driving is it my/the businesses fault? It wouldn't even enter my mind that it's a workplace culture issue.

Why is it a Wigan problem that TT has put himself in this position? Yes he is a public figure and represents the club but the responsibility to behave off the field starts and ends with him.


It's a fair point, but there seems to be a difference between most businesses and a professional sports club. And any business can have a bad culture, but it's unlikely that anyone outside that company will become aware of it. Not so in professional sport.

I can't claim to know the ins and outs, but my assumption is Rugby league provides a unique set of circumstances. Players have to live quite different lives from many who work 9 to 5 jobs or what might be considered 'regular' jobs. Rugby league seems to encourage a binge drinking culture which is an issue that's been raised many times by former professionals. The nature of the sport - the training schedules, playing on weekends etc. means players are going to have time to unwind at irregular times and hours compared to most - so there's a good chance they'll spend a lot of time with team mates away from rugby. If there's a culture where players go out and get hammered whenever they have time off then other players are going to follow suit, whether they socialise together or not.

Young players get thrown into this world of professional sport and they are going to look for role models - the players say it themselves - whereas in most jobs you probably wouldn't look at colleagues as role models as such. At least not to the extent that young sports stars seem to. Most jobs you'll have mates outside work who work the same hours and can socialise with at the same time and there's a very distinct difference between work and socialising.

For me that's why it's so important to have good role models in rugby league. It's not so much about young fans, but young players who are probably going to follow the same patterns as those they play alongside. So in these unique circumstances the club should have a certain degree of responsibility towards players to ensure they can cope with this irregular lifestyle. That would include making sure there is the right kind of working environment and the right kind of education for players.

The club might not be able to stop a player drink driving if they choose to, but they can certainly make it so there are serious consequences for those who do it. Take the Hardaker situation. The club offered him help which was commendable, but in terms of punishment for the offence they did little. There seems to be a mentality of 'well I've only had a few so I can risk it'. If they get caught they'll lose their licence but still have a decent job and can keep playing as if nothing happens. And if players keep going out with that attitude others will follow. Actually giving players suitable punishments for drink driving might make others think twice about 'risking it'.

If it's seen as normal for players to go out and get absolutely hammered when they have down time then it's always going to continue and the club and the sport as a whole will always have to contend with numerous drink related incidents.
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:07 pm
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Post Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:16 pm
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And it was those results on the pitch that have papered over the cracks.

I for one wasn't happy with most of our performances under Wane and constantly thought that we would be a better team "when allowed to take the shackles off" and play more expansive rugby but perhaps that isn't the case and Wane actually worked miracles here.


Fair point, I’m struggling to come up with an argument to counter it.
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