Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Sun May 26, 2019 11:39 am  

Brick with eyes wrote:

We are now reaping what we sow.

The kids coming through are just products of ‘The Shaun Wane Wrestling Academy’ No flair , no zip , no skills , but can wrestle ! You can’t blame Adrian Lam for the hand he’s been dealt

Ah yes. The players that won every single trophy on offer. CC, SL, WCC.
Players who were winners by performing the basics to a high level of consistency and excellence.

Under Lam, regardless of whether you believe their attacking skillsets are adequate, the basics (passing, catching, tackling) have gone backwards.

That is the the sign of a bad coach.

He has made good players look average and average players bad.

Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Sun May 26, 2019 11:43 am  

Father Ted wrote:

Aren't Wire utterly fantastic?
They've won everything forever. Though they do make finals, trouble is they keep losing them.
To suggest IL/Rads have a worse record than Wire is quite something!
Can IL and Rads improve, of course. They are watching the same games we are and probably coming to the same conclusions. They know where we need to strengthen and will do it.

Recently we've lost a few as we rebuild, but you've got to be in them to lose them.
I'm happy to attend finals and lose some. Nothing worse than getting beaten in semifinals...more of a Saints thing.

Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Sun May 26, 2019 11:45 am  

I think Wigan will be OK.
The club desperately needs this 3 week break. That is what will turn your season around. I'm sure.

Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Sun May 26, 2019 11:50 am  

muttywhitedog wrote:

I would add Manfredi to that list too. Harsh maybe, but his injury record means we are always short in his position, and paying someone not to play.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but to see Josh Charnley lined up against Hankinson yesterday made me realise what a poor decision it was not to take him back.

When Charnley was available, we could hardly have anticipated that we would end up having Manfredi, Davies and Marshall all out injured at the same time. That's just terrible luck. Charnley would have been a luxury we can't afford under the cap when we already have the players I mentioned plus Burgess.

Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Sun May 26, 2019 6:05 pm  

WARRIOR5 wrote:

And yet still haven’t won the league in the majority of their fans lifetimes. Easy to start crying on forums when things aren’t going our way and forget the success the regime you’re criticising has brought us.

As for Gelling he has moments of brilliance and moments of sheer stupidity. And most fans on here moan when we re-sign players. (Then again when we don’t).

We’re also rumoured to be getting a very good Aussie halfback next year too. So put your toys back in the pram!

No toys to through out the window and not crying just stating facts what other clubs are doing, if we had 17 playing from the academy I would still watch them home and away,

Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Mon May 27, 2019 7:30 am  

We need an injection of at least 4 new players, inclyuding 2 marquee level signings.

I think we need a right centre, a half, a hooker and a big aggressive prop who can play long minutes.

Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Mon May 27, 2019 7:59 am  

Tricky Dicky wrote:

We need an injection of at least 4 new players, inclyuding 2 marquee level signings.

I think we need a right centre, a half, a hooker and a big aggressive prop who can play long minutes.

I think we need much more if I’m honest. I’m taking it for granted that Williams has gone so for next season I’d say we need to prioritise a 6, 7, 9 and 3 props and we’re gonna have to make use of the marquee rules if we’re hoping to challenge for honours. After that we need a naturally right sided second row and centre but I can’t see how we could bring in 8 players. Huge overhaul required though.

Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Tue May 28, 2019 9:16 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

I think we need much more if I’m honest. I’m taking it for granted that Williams has gone so for next season I’d say we need to prioritise a 6, 7, 9 and 3 props and we’re gonna have to make use of the marquee rules if we’re hoping to challenge for honours. After that we need a naturally right sided second row and centre but I can’t see how we could bring in 8 players. Huge overhaul required though.

Like you say, we aren't getting eight players (I also think that's a bad idea to be honest, as we would lose any consistency with the teams that won trophies). I'd settle for a marquee half to replace Williams and two props to replace Clubb and Lockers, with Flower moving to loose to add size to the pack and give us some leadership/experience. All that is assuming we keep Gildart, which I imagine must be a challenge.

Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Tue May 28, 2019 9:43 am  

If we keep Sarginson, Leuluai goes round again and we lose Williams, Escare, Clubb, Tautai and Lockers then we at least 2 half backs and 2 props as a bare minimum.

Ideally we would need 3 props, 2 halves and a second rower.

Next year our team could look like this:

1 - Hardaker
2 - Manfredi
3 - Sarginson
4 - Gildart
5 - Burgess
6 - Atkin
7 - Hastings
8 - PROP
9 - Leuluai
10 - Bullock
11 - Greenwood
12 - Farrell
13 - Flower

14 - Clarke (Prop)
15 - King (Hooker)
16 - PROP
17 - Isa

With the rumoured signings, we still need another 2 props with those props needing to be ones that regularly make 2 drives a set, 150m a game, 35 tackles plus and long minutes.

I’d look to swap Craig Hall for Hankinson, Hall is a free agent at the end of the season and might be good back up. I’d also look at that Will Lovell from London Broncos, big right sided second rower, could be a good project signing.

Re: Wigan Warriors & Adrian Lam : Tue May 28, 2019 10:08 am  

post wrote:

If we keep Sarginson, Leuluai goes round again and we lose Williams, Escare, Clubb, Tautai and Lockers then we at least 2 half backs and 2 props as a bare minimum.

Ideally we would need 3 props, 2 halves and a second rower.

Next year our team could look like this:

1 - Hardaker
2 - Manfredi
3 - Sarginson
4 - Gildart
5 - Burgess
6 - Atkin
7 - Hastings
8 - PROP
9 - Leuluai
10 - Bullock
11 - Greenwood
12 - Farrell
13 - Flower

14 - Clarke (Prop)
15 - King (Hooker)
16 - PROP
17 - Isa

With the rumoured signings, we still need another 2 props with those props needing to be ones that regularly make 2 drives a set, 150m a game, 35 tackles plus and long minutes.

I’d look to swap Craig Hall for Hankinson, Hall is a free agent at the end of the season and might be good back up. I’d also look at that Will Lovell from London Broncos, big right sided second rower, could be a good project signing.

King?
I like Craig Hall, but would he be willing to be just a squad player?