Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:28 pm  

jonh wrote:

It’s been an open secret for a few months.

Sadly I think that sums him up.

He could have been/could be so much more but lacks something to see him achieve his potential.

Strange comment, considering he played something like his potential before he went to Australia which got him selected for England.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:35 am  

Ruddy Duck wrote:

Strange comment, considering he played something like his potential before he went to Australia which got him selected for England.

He was 21 when he chose to take the challenge on to go to the NRL.

I can’t think of any player that was playing to their full potential at that age.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:04 am  

I think he's been somewhat unfairly singled out. Whatever good he does seems to be glossed over and the bad is amplified. I watched a few games last season when Marshall had an absolute stinker under the highball, but didn't get anything like the heat JB did.

No real surprise that it stems from the time he said that he had unfinished business in the NRL. Some fans don't seem capable of reasonable thought when it comes to the fact that some players might actually want to play abroad.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:18 am  

The problem with Joe Burgess is his attitude IMO. He’s got great ability but doesn’t show it in enough games anymore to warrant a place. You can read it in his body language he’s disinterested. If you’re playing for your home town club and you don’t want to give 100% then make way as someone else will

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:20 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I think he's been somewhat unfairly singled out. Whatever good he does seems to be glossed over and the bad is amplified. I watched a few games last season when Marshall had an absolute stinker under the highball, but didn't get anything like the heat JB did.

No real surprise that it stems from the time he said that he had unfinished business in the NRL. Some fans don't seem capable of reasonable thought when it comes to the fact that some players might actually want to play abroad.

I think its a case of us seeing him at his best (so far) before he went to the nrl and since he has come back hes been, generally, rubbish

Marshall on the other hand, we didnt have very high hopes for him but hes been amazingly good compared to expectations and shows the hunger to be better than his potential may have suggested

A hybrid between to the 2 would produce an excellent player. We can maybe look into it once we start the player implants...

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:37 am  

[Gareth] wrote:

I think its a case of us seeing him at his best (so far) before he went to the nrl and since he has come back hes been, generally, rubbish

Marshall on the other hand, we didnt have very high hopes for him but hes been amazingly good compared to expectations and shows the hunger to be better than his potential may have suggested

A hybrid between to the 2 would produce an excellent player. We can maybe look into it once we start the player implants...

I wouldn't say he's been rubbish, but just ordinary/solid.

I have to admit that I just don't get the hype around Marshall. He's scored a few very good tries, but he's definitely not a complete winger.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:45 am  

[Gareth] wrote:

I think its a case of us seeing him at his best (so far) before he went to the nrl and since he has come back hes been, generally, rubbish

Marshall on the other hand, we didnt have very high hopes for him but hes been amazingly good compared to expectations and shows the hunger to be better than his potential may have suggested

A hybrid between to the 2 would produce an excellent player. We can maybe look into it once we start the player implants...

That's not really true though is it?

People who know me know my Bias towards Joe, But I've always tried to be fair in my assessments.
As little as 18months ago due to injuries, form etc. Budgie was in the top 2 wingers of the 4 (along with Tom Davies IMO). Marshall was error prone and Manfredi, well we all know that situation.

But the truth is he was pretty good 2017 (in what was generally due to injuries across the whole squad a terrible one) and start of 18 was performing very well until the season ending injury at Widnes.

2019, he would have been one of the 2 starters for me, along with Tom Davies,but over the year Marshall's remarkable improvement (and I'll be the first to admit hes proved me wrong) has put pressure on him. Although Marshall isnt the finished product.

Tom Davies injury eased that pressure, but Manfredi return increases it again, bu which point Marshalls improvement put him ahead IMO of Budgie.

Top line he doesnt do enough work for the team IMO
Hes still got the finishing ability etc. But he needs to carry the ball 12/15times a game from defence, with a lot more effort.

With Gelling/Sarginson in the team he could get away with it a bit more, but without them he needs to step up.

"If" money wise we could keep all 3 I would
"If" we need to cut clothe and only carry 2 of the 3, then hes first misser as it stands.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:12 am  

I should probably have said rubbish by the standard he showed prior to his nrl stint

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:31 pm  

I would prefer Budgie to stay, on form he is the best winger in the club. However, I am willing to accept that Rads and IFL are making the best decision for Wigan.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:49 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

I would prefer Budgie to stay, on form he is the best winger in the club. However, I am willing to accept that Rads and IFL are making the best decision for Wigan.

Burgess’s last few performances has probably made their decision that bit easier. It will be sad to see him go as I’ve always liked him as a player but he does need a change to help resurrect his career.