Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:25 pm  

I just hope the players are buzzing to get going. They’ve looked like their minds are elsewhere at points these past couple of years and as though they’re struggling to motivate themselves for anything other then the really big games. We can learn a lot from Cas last year and how they seemed to enjoy each other’s success and celebrated try’s as a team.

If we can get a good spirit going and some excitement in to the players, we’ve got more then enough talent to not only win games but to entertain.

Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:59 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I just hope the players are buzzing to get going. They’ve looked like their minds are elsewhere at points these past couple of years and as though they’re struggling to motivate themselves for anything other then the really big games. We can learn a lot from Cas last year and how they seemed to enjoy each other’s success and celebrated try’s as a team.

If we can get a good spirit going and some excitement in to the players, we’ve got more then enough talent to not only win games but to entertain.

There’s definitely something in this. If we look back 2 or 3 years it was almost as if there was a forfeit for being last to join the celebrations! They were running in from everywhere and laughing their heads off!

Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:46 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

There’s definitely something in this. If we look back 2 or 3 years it was almost as if there was a forfeit for being last to join the celebrations! They were running in from everywhere and laughing their heads off!

Under Maguire I think there was or at least they were encouraged to all get in.

I’m not one of those fans who bags Wane constantly but there is no doubt over the years that some of that spirit and culture that Maguire instilled in the place has been eroded. This may sound silly and non important but even little things like seeing the players going to training camps or turning up for games in all odd training gear is a sign that the place has lost some professionalism and discipline. I’d want my ‘team’ looking like a ‘team’.

Maybe I’m sad

Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:02 am  

jonh wrote:

It wasn’t really a case of Catalans wanting to let him go, it was more to do with the circle of friends and outside influences he had around him from his youth that were deemed to be holding him back.

They tried on several occasions to adjust his mentality but he kept going back to the same group.

It was deemed by Catalans and the player who wanted to break away the only way this could be done was a total move away hence why he ended up with us. Were his off field situation sorted he would be a Catalans player now.

Never heard anything of this. Just witnessed a FB who was under-par then replaced.

I hope I'm wrong, but as cover, Escare is a good signing, as a first team starter? I'm not so sure.

Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:06 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Under Maguire I think there was or at least they were encouraged to all get in.

I’m not one of those fans who bags Wane constantly but there is no doubt over the years that some of that spirit and culture that Maguire instilled in the place has been eroded. This may sound silly and non important but even little things like seeing the players going to training camps or turning up for games in all odd training gear is a sign that the place has lost some professionalism and discipline. I’d want my ‘team’ looking like a ‘team’.

Maybe I’m sad

I think you are absolutely correct.
Aim for perfection accept excellence.
The last few seasons we have drifted along accepting poor discipline (on and off the field) and standards thinking that the "Wigan way" whatever that is would see us through.

I've watched all of the interviews on Wigan tv on pre season training and hopefully some lessons have been learned from last season and there appears to be acknowledgement that we need to improve which hopefully we will see with talking turned into action.

Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:35 am  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Never heard anything of this. Just witnessed a FB who was under-par then replaced.

I hope I'm wrong, but as cover, Escare is a good signing, as a first team starter? I'm not so sure.

john is right

Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:34 am  

Pieman wrote:

john is right

Cheers for that.

Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:46 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Cheers for that.

no worries

Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:06 pm  

Escare was a strange one from a fans point of view and to a certain extent it is to do with expectation, and managing expectations.

When he joined us he was seen by most including myself as a squad player who would only get a run out when we had an injury crisis.

As I mentioned above the coaches who are paid to know their stuff in both France and England rated him much higher than that.

I accept he is still green and learning which seems an odd thing to say for a player of his age and experience, however he was an absolute breath of fresh air in relation to providing the speed and evasiveness and general X factor that our turgid dull team so badly needed and I think that because not much was expected when he delivered like he did providing real moments of entertainment he became a fans favourite.

It’s kind of a role reversal from Tomkins where much was expected but for whatever reason last year he didn’t deliver and some fans turned on him.

I would say in both cases I would trust the coaches judgement over that of us sat in the stands.

Personally I’m more than happy for him to have the odd brain fart but start and give us as spectators something to shout about in a positive way.

Re: Micky Mac and Gelling Released - OFFICIAL : Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:26 pm  

jonh wrote:

Escare was a strange one from a fans point of view and to a certain extent it is to do with expectation, and managing expectations.

When he joined us he was seen by most including myself as a squad player who would only get a run out when we had an injury crisis.

As I mentioned above the coaches who are paid to know their stuff in both France and England rated him much higher than that.

I accept he is still green and learning which seems an odd thing to say for a player of his age and experience, however he was an absolute breath of fresh air in relation to providing the speed and evasiveness and general X factor that our turgid dull team so badly needed and I think that because not much was expected when he delivered like he did providing real moments of entertainment he became a fans favourite.

It’s kind of a role reversal from Tomkins where much was expected but for whatever reason last year he didn’t deliver and some fans turned on him.

I would say in both cases I would trust the coaches judgement over that of us sat in the stands.

Personally I’m more than happy for him to have the odd brain fart but start and give us as spectators something to shout about in a positive way.

100% agree