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Re: So much wrong... : Sat May 18, 2019 6:47 pm  
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Also thought McIlorum was great in the first 30 for them. Really set the tempo and aggression. What we would give for a crafty, intelligent, hard hitting hooker now...

one who can create 3 vs 2 on the flanks of a a wide pitch should be of a top priority, it's basic stuff really
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Re: So much wrong... : Sat May 18, 2019 6:53 pm  
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Also thought McIlorum was great in the first 30 for them. Really set the tempo and aggression. What we would give for a crafty, intelligent, hard hitting hooker now...


Another bloody masterstroke decision by IL & KR that one, wasn’t it...
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Re: So much wrong... : Sat May 18, 2019 9:43 pm  
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Another bloody masterstroke decision by IL & KR that one, wasn’t it...


For me the issue was nothing replacing Micky with class. If we'd have brought in a top 9 with a scoot, great distribution, I think must fans woukd have got over losing Micky.
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Re: So much wrong... : Sat May 18, 2019 10:09 pm  
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It’s what happens when the club and players treat the game as a holiday. I for one am glad that I didn’t buy into this carnival


Once in a life time opportunity to experience a game in one of the most Iconic Stadiums in the entire world In one of the most Vibrant Cities on the planet I've no doubt a Game at Huddersfield or Wakefield at the beginning of February is much more Your cup of Tea
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Re: So much wrong... : Sat May 18, 2019 10:10 pm  
One thing that baffles me is Lam's belief that Hankinson is somehow an acceptable option at second row. When I saw his name on the bench it worried me that he might end up on the pitch. Then Greenwood gets injured and we end up with Isa and Hankinson as our 2 back rowers. It's not like we don't have people to play there. Smithies had some cracking games there and Paisley, while hit or miss, did have a good game the last time he played Catalans and has the advantage of being a back row forward. Any possible threat we might possible have in that position completely disappears.

And it's no surprise that yet again when Greenwood goes off we don't have a clue what to do. He's pretty much our go to forward which probably puts a bit too much pressure on him as he can be managed out of the game if he doesn't get good enough service.

Williams was shocking. Even when we were being relatively competitive against the Catalans pack his decision making was utterly awful. Powell too was poor and completely outplayed by McIlorum. I hope Lam is giving some consideration to moving Leuluai back to 9 (it worked well last time) with Shorrocks on the bench once Sammut returns because there's not an ounce of creativity from Powell.

The only forward who had a good game was Flower, who seemed to be tasked with keeping Sam Moa quiet and he did that brilliantly. Everyone else though looked well below par, particularly O'Loughlin who had one of his worst games.

I really don't see how we can fix our problems without making signings. It's obvious our pack is weak right now and they are showing little signs of improvement. It was an obvious weakness at the start of the season. I think Lam even said he wanted to strengthen that area but the club weren't forthcoming with any signings. In that respect I do have some sympathy for Lam but I won't if he keeps picking Hankinson as a bloody second rower!
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Re: So much wrong... : Sat May 18, 2019 11:05 pm  
No props no pots is the saying but these lot won’t even get us in the play offs let alone winning anything. We’re getting bullied every week and if I see Tautai near a Wigan shirt again I’m not sure I’ll cope. Navarette and Clubb are no better and Bullock is incredibly raw in defence.
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 5:12 am  
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I agree with most of your post. But I can't agree that he was dealt a bad hand. Even with Tomkins and Bateman missing that squad is still good enough to win the GF and at the very least be competitive.
Many many coaches would bite your hand off to take that squad/club on. He's in a Ferrari and at times can't keep up with a Fiat Punto.


I disagree, the squad is incomparable in quality compared to saints or wire. Wane has us punching above our weight for a while but I don’t think even he could get this squad to win a GF.
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 5:17 am  
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Nope not at all. I rate both Tomkins and Bateman. How can anyone say the squad is a bad hand? It's crazy. Go back and watch the playoffs from last season and the GF. Watch how we were structured, how we played, our mentality in attack and more importantly in defence, then watch us this season. Are the saying the mass changes are down to 2 players? Seriously? Come on.

The game is far more complex to think 2 players missing has caused such a decline when the team is still littered with talent. Most teams across SL would be over the moon with the likes of Hardaker, Burgess, Gildart, Greenwood, Bullock, Tommy, Lockers Williams, all of which are Internationals!

Losing two players isn't the issue, its a poor excuse.


What international teams have Bullock and Greenwood played for??
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 7:36 am  
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One thing that baffles me is Lam's belief that Hankinson is somehow an acceptable option at second row. When I saw his name on the bench it worried me that he might end up on the pitch. Then Greenwood gets injured and we end up with Isa and Hankinson as our 2 back rowers. It's not like we don't have people to play there. Smithies had some cracking games there and Paisley, while hit or miss, did have a good game the last time he played Catalans and has the advantage of being a back row forward. Any possible threat we might possible have in that position completely disappears.

And it's no surprise that yet again when Greenwood goes off we don't have a clue what to do. He's pretty much our go to forward which probably puts a bit too much pressure on him as he can be managed out of the game if he doesn't get good enough service.

Williams was shocking. Even when we were being relatively competitive against the Catalans pack his decision making was utterly awful. Powell too was poor and completely outplayed by McIlorum. I hope Lam is giving some consideration to moving Leuluai back to 9 (it worked well last time) with Shorrocks on the bench once Sammut returns because there's not an ounce of creativity from Powell.

The only forward who had a good game was Flower, who seemed to be tasked with keeping Sam Moa quiet and he did that brilliantly. Everyone else though looked well below par, particularly O'Loughlin who had one of his worst games.

I really don't see how we can fix our problems without making signings. It's obvious our pack is weak right now and they are showing little signs of improvement. It was an obvious weakness at the start of the season. I think Lam even said he wanted to strengthen that area but the club weren't forthcoming with any signings. In that respect I do have some sympathy for Lam but I won't if he keeps picking Hankinson as a bloody second rower!


Will need to watch the game again when I get home on Tuesday, but from the stands I thought Greenwood had a shocker and Hankinson when he cane on did ok.

I also find the criticism of Locky a strange one as it was only when he came on and took charge like Williams should have been doing that we started to threaten the Catalans side in what was for the first 29 odd minutes of the match a ridiculously slat performance given the occasion.

In relation to our Props I don’t doubt they are working hard but clearly they lack a bit of quality. Again though yesterday what was blatantly obvious was they were going up in 1s. They had 0 support runners or people cutting a line or even giving the hooker an option run like a wedge. It was simply a case of hooker passes to Prop, Prop runs in nearest Wigan player to him in the hooker who gets to the play the ball.

If my u14s don’t run in pairs they get laps, it really is that basic a principle.
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 7:55 am  
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Once in a life time opportunity to experience a game in one of the most Iconic Stadiums in the entire world In one of the most Vibrant Cities on the planet I've no doubt a Game at Huddersfield or Wakefield at the beginning of February is much more Your cup of Tea

Means nothing to me, just another stadium.however it is two points lost.
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