Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:09 pm  

RichieS wrote:

Without muddying the water, and I must state I have zero idea what the outcome will actually be, I believe the argument regards OOC is whether or not the Play Off Series/Grand Final is officially classed as a stand alone event or classified as a fixture within the Super League season. If a stand alone event, the days leading up to the said event would be classed as OOC. If that makes any sense?

That makes sense to me, however even if the Play Offs etc are standalone, they're still a sporting competition and must be governened by UKAD/WADA rules surely?

Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:12 pm  

Baxendale wrote:

That makes sense to me, however even if the Play Offs etc are standalone, they're still a sporting competition and must be governened by UKAD/WADA rules surely?

True, hard to dissect the little information I've heard, but it seems to Centre around the days before/after a stand-alone event even if governed by UKAD. Very tough one to call as it really sets a precedent for future cases.

Say for instance his sample is from the day after the Saints game, then if the play off fixture was a stand alone event, the next stand alone event would be the Grand Final and between those two fixtures Zak would be OOC.

Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:21 pm  

RichieS wrote:

True, hard to dissect the little information I've heard, but it seems to Centre around the days before/after a stand-alone event even if governed by UKAD. Very tough one to call as it really sets a precedent for future cases.

Say for instance his sample is from the day after the Saints game, then if the play off fixture was a stand alone event, the next stand alone event would be the Grand Final and between those two fixtures Zak would be OOC.

Sounds like his legal rep will have something to play with.

Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:10 pm  

RichieS wrote:

True, hard to dissect the little information I've heard, but it seems to Centre around the days before/after a stand-alone event even if governed by UKAD. Very tough one to call as it really sets a precedent for future cases.

Say for instance his sample is from the day after the Saints game, then if the play off fixture was a stand alone event, the next stand alone event would be the Grand Final and between those two fixtures Zak would be OOC.

I completely understand that, although if it is the case it does set a dangerous precedent! It's obvious that the situation isn't straightforward as there's been no official ban yet has there? Unless I've missed something

Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:49 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

Sounds like his legal rep will have something to play with.

Not really because it was after the Super 8's game vs Leeds a few weeks before that he failed.

Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:50 pm  

If we want to as a club help someone with "issues" why don't we go and find a 16 or 17 year old lad with "issues" but with potential? It'll be just as hard but with less financial outlay.
I cannot agree with the signing of Hardaker in any circumstance other than perhaps he has served say a 5 year ban from playing and has also evidence to show that he has for example done lots of community work within the amateur game.

Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:58 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

I'm not sure that taking the high moral ground is a luxury the club can afford.

Doing the right thing is of course important - but there is that old argument that when someone has done their time, past indiscretions should be scrubbed. If you don't believe in that, then I'd suggest you're not actually a moral person, despite your protestations.

I'd point to the fact that many RL stars of past and present - Wigan heroes among them - would not have graced our fields had we adopted a blanket 'you must be perfect' approach.

Cruncher nobody is perfect but where do you draw the line?
What does a player need to do before you say "Nah, no matter how good you are you are we wont touch you with a bargepole"?

How many other players have we signed where we knew for a fact that they take Class a drugs??

If it was a first offence then I would like to think that Cas or any other club would support him however, it isn't.
I very uncomfortable that this sounds like a done deal.

Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:16 pm  

On Sky news Shaun Wane said he would be interested in Zac Hardaker.

Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:46 pm  

I'll be the odd one out and say I'm quite happy we are linked with him.

Re: Hardaker dismissed by Cas : Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:51 pm  

Ashton Bears wrote:

On Sky news Shaun Wane said he would be interested in Zac Hardaker.

He also said that he’s not heard anything and that he leaves that up to Rads and Lenegan sorry what? Our head coach doesn’t have a say in what players we sign?