Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:46 pm  

Pemps wrote:

It's 2 weekends off which is almost 3 weeks.

P.S. I don't have the answer. In fact my alternative gave the league winners the same length of time off.

Why not make winners of week 1 (Leeds & Hull in this instance) and losers of week 1 (Wire & Cats) play midweek?

Gives Top 2 the advantage of a home game with the winners of those games then getting the "Standard" rest period of a week.

5/6/7/8 would be severley disadvantaged as even if they win week 1 they then have to go to losers fo week 1 i.e Wire/Cats in this instance and even if they win that they have to play 3 days later against the "Fresh" teams away from home.

Would that provide enough incentive to finish Top 4 & even more so Top 2?
Brings intensity to the league games as finishing 5th or lower has a serious affect on your play off chances.
Brings intensity into Week 1 for the Top 4 as losing that game would have a serious affect on your play off chances i.e playing 3 games in a week before playin the final the week after.

My preference would be for the old Top 5/6.

PS

None of the above is in anyway a dig at Leeds as I believe they have done remarkably well to win it from 5 twice and IMO played the cards as they were dealt at the begining of the season.
IMO if the system was different there's nothing to say that they wouldnt have played those cards equally as well and won it again (Inc if it was a straight Top=Champions argument) irrespective of the system used to determine it.

Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:48 pm  

ryano wrote:

Well done! Enjoy the Tea Tray. However, you are missing his/her point. They are saying in a first past the post competition Tony Smith wouldn't rotate his teams as he did and would have comfortably finished 1st. I agree with him/her. But it isn't a FPTP competition as we all know and teams and coaches ,including Smudger, are aware of that.

It is you who is missing the point as far as I’m concerned! I’m not saying that Wigan should be champions this past season they are not, Leeds are by way of how the SL is played now. All I’m trying to say is the playoff structure is killing the weekly rounds making them virtually redundant for most games. If it were run like football FPTP, I like you have no idea who would have been champions, I DON’T BLOODY CARE! All I want is to get back to every team wanting to win every game no matter what part of the season it’s played in. Keep the playoffs, just change the structure and stop calling the winners champions, and bring back P&R in some form. ALL I WANT IS ALL OF THE WEEKLY ROUNDS TO MEAN SOMETHING AGAIN! But it seems for some people it’s asking far too much.

Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:11 pm  

Top 8 and rewarding the team one game to the final, minimum you have to give the top team is a week off, that week off though could be what kills you.

So it's either straight knockout from the off or try to finish 3rd and not have a week off.

Straight knockout is simple

1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5
then the highest seed always plays the lowest seed for the next round, the advantage being you always get a home game and it's always against lowest ranked.
Forget two bites of the cherry.

Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:31 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Top 8 and rewarding the team one game to the final, minimum you have to give the top team is a week off, that week off though could be what kills you.

So it's either straight knockout from the off or try to finish 3rd and not have a week off.

Straight knockout is simple

1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5
then the highest seed always plays the lowest seed for the next round, the advantage being you always get a home game and it's always against lowest ranked.
Forget two bites of the cherry.

--this--

Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:50 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Top 8 and rewarding the team one game to the final, minimum you have to give the top team is a week off, that week off though could be what kills you.

So it's either straight knockout from the off or try to finish 3rd and not have a week off.

Straight knockout is simple

1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5
then the highest seed always plays the lowest seed for the next round, the advantage being you always get a home game and it's always against lowest ranked.
Forget two bites of the cherry.

You should apply for a job at Red Hall

[Pemps]

Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:52 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Top 8 and rewarding the team one game to the final, minimum you have to give the top team is a week off, that week off though could be what kills you.

So it's either straight knockout from the off or try to finish 3rd and not have a week off.

Straight knockout is simple

1v8
2v7
3v6
4v5
then the highest seed always plays the lowest seed for the next round, the advantage being you always get a home game and it's always against lowest ranked.
Forget two bites of the cherry.

So based on this year (in theory)?
Rd. 1
Wigan v Wakefield
Warrington v Huddersfield
Saints v Hull
Catalan v Leeds

Semi
Wigan v Catalan
Warrington v Saints

Final
Wigan v Warrington

Makes sense I suppose. I would like to see the league winners get a week off at some point though. It would give the teams something to play for in the season.

Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:54 pm  

pies-r-us wrote:

It is you who is missing the point as far as I’m concerned! I’m not saying that Wigan should be champions this past season they are not, Leeds are by way of how the SL is played now. All I’m trying to say is the playoff structure is killing the weekly rounds making them virtually redundant for most games. If it were run like football FPTP, I like you have no idea who would have been champions, I DON’T BLOODY CARE! All I want is to get back to every team wanting to win every game no matter what part of the season it’s played in. Keep the playoffs, just change the structure and stop calling the winners champions, and bring back P&R in some form. ALL I WANT IS ALL OF THE WEEKLY ROUNDS TO MEAN SOMETHING AGAIN! But it seems for some people it’s asking far too much.

You are right. The only way to make the whole season mean something is to make the prize for coming top of the league meaningful in cash terms. bring back promotion and relegation and make the play offs top 5 or 6 with only the top side getting the advantage of a week off. Get rid of the stupid club call too.
Just think, this season we would have had Wigan and Wire slogging it out all season and the intensity in the bottom three would have been incredible.

Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:01 pm  

wireflyer33 wrote:

-talk about missing the point!and to think,you actually *believe* your world champs of rl as well as *worthy* champions of sl

Ok numpty I will bite.
Who are the World Champions of RL?
Is it because those nasty boozed up scum as you put it from Yorkshire?

Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:04 pm  

Pemps wrote:

So based on this year (in theory)?
Rd. 1
Wigan v Wakefield
Warrington v Huddersfield
Saints v Hull
Catalan v Leeds

Semi
Wigan v Catalan
Warrington v Saints

Final
Wigan v Warrington

Makes sense I suppose. I would like to see the league winners get a week off at some point though. It would give the teams something to play for in the season.

FFS based on theory this year it should have been Warrington/Wigan in the final.
What would happen if say the 5th team i.e Leeds beat the 4th team Catalan?
They then draw Wigan away and by some chance beat them.
They Leeds end up in the GFand somehow win it.
Would that make it better?

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Wire or Leeds? : Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:08 pm  

chapylad wrote:

Ok numpty I will bite.

You'll also be banned if you carry on with the insults.

chapylad wrote:

Who are the World Champions of RL?

New Zealand.