Re: Sam Tomkins : Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:25 pm  

Ashton Warrior wrote:

As much as he may well be a bright hope for us in this already dull season, if Nobby chucks him in next week, he is going to be under immense pressure and maybe it could be seen as too much pressure for a young lad, when 2 experienced half backs in Tommy and Smithy should be taking control.

Either way though, if he isnt in - something is up in Brian Nobles head one thinks.

Where are them?

Everyone knew we was screwed when barrett went why do you think we was looking for a stand off, i say give the lad a chance

: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:39 pm  

Pemps wrote:

Not a lot of point playing him if the team's game plan consists of playmaker passing it to a forward for 80 mins.

We've got to master the basics first... we don't seem to be getting this bit right yet. I'm struggling to get my head around our lack of ball retention, I can't help but think that we don't have the right type of old heads in the right places pushing the team around. That said, it's a long season, and we're bloody early into it at the moment.

The effort seemed there and it sounded like a much improved performance than last week, if we keep improving I'll take it.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:08 am  

- Neil - wrote:

Nail on head. Tim Smith playing at 6 is utterly ridiculous.

I do not know if McIllorum set the world alight tonight cos i am a category 3 fan but I can see Tomkins replacing him on the bench next week with Tommy reverting to hooker when he comes on. There is alot of rumours forming around the safety of Nobles job which I hope will force him into giving Tomkins a go.

Balls to that Mcillorum to start Riddell carrying on the water.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:14 am  

Some of you guys are weighing this kid down with an insane amount of expectation. Reading some of the stuff posted in here over the last twelve months you'd swear he only has to put ten games under his belt to become the next Alex Murphy.

If you're not careful you'll ruin him before he's had a chance to establish himself as a regular SL player (the same goes for Saints fans and Eastmond).

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:16 am  

Mugwump wrote:

Some of you guys are weighing this kid down with an insane amount of expectation. Reading some of the stuff posted in here over the last twelve months you'd swear he only has to put ten games under his belt to become the next Alex Murphy.

If you're not careful you'll ruin him before he's had a chance to establish himself as a regular SL player (the same goes for Saints fans and Eastmond).

At last someone with sense, but it isn't possible the club coaching staff are shielding him from that because they all know nothing apparently.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:00 pm  

At least eastmond gets a game occasionally! tomkins needs to be on the bench an play say 20 mins per game to gain experienece.I wouldn`t say that was pressure just good management!

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:51 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Some of you guys are weighing this kid down with an insane amount of expectation. Reading some of the stuff posted in here over the last twelve months you'd swear he only has to put ten games under his belt to become the next Alex Murphy.

If you're not careful you'll ruin him before he's had a chance to establish himself as a regular SL player (the same goes for Saints fans and Eastmond).

Tbh i dont think everyone on here expects big things from sam most just want him to have a run out and let him get a taste

Just think how he feels cause he knows he's good enough let him have a few games no pressure on the lad

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:47 pm  

Memony wrote:

We've got to master the basics first... we don't seem to be getting this bit right yet. I'm struggling to get my head around our lack of ball retention, I can't help but think that we don't have the right type of old heads in the right places pushing the team around. That said, it's a long season, and we're bloody early into it at the moment.
The effort seemed there and it sounded like a much improved performance than last week, if we keep improving I'll take it.

And soon to be four points adrift at the bottom of the league with the chance of top 8, let alone top 4 diminishing with every game.

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:02 pm  

msm wrote:

At least eastmond gets a game occasionally! tomkins needs to be on the bench an play say 20 mins per game to gain experienece.I wouldn`t say that was pressure just good management!

Yes he does have a lot of pressure on his shoulders but he has dealt with it very well so far (albeit against weak opposition) I do think fans are willing to be patient with him as he gains experience

But I like a few fans are losing patients with the management because they aren't giving him a chance to play. He's nearly 20 ffs. The longer he is being kept in the reserves the more there is expected of him when he finally gets his chance/

: Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:07 pm  

Play any half back you want, if they don't have any options with ball in hand their play is predictable and easy to read.

Any half back, no matter how good needs the players outside him to offer him plenty of options. We as a team haven't done this in years, last year even someone with the vision and class that Barrett had was made to look ordinary.

How people still blame the halves is beyond me, they're only as good as the team they play in, and without a packing making yards, and players offering options and creating doubt as to who's getting the ball, a half backs job is made 10 times harder.

If people think dropping a young half back into that cauldron of sh|t and then expect him to shine is a wise thing to do, well....


Noble is taking good players in, and wasting them with his negative approach to the game. We stand so flat at times we've no chance of breaking the line, and people who receive the ball receive it stood still. It's pathetic to watch, and it amazes me to think he still thinks it's the way to win games. Granted we got to 2 semi's, but I never thought we'd beat either Saints or Leeds when it really matters with the game-plan we stick to.

To break down good defences you need variation, you need ideas, and as a team we offer no variation and a distinct lack of ideas. For that I blame the coaching.