Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:01 pm  

Gazwire wrote:

You wouldn't have the intelligence to discern the analogical meaning, so I'll leave you pondering.

Well when you get your gcse results next week, if you post them on here I'll be happy to bow down to your superior intelligence.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:29 pm  

easyWire wrote:

As said already, next season we’ll either be a good team or have a new coach. Powell was tasked by the club with razing us to the ground and building us back better. Whether he’s the right man to do it, will be clear soon enough. We all wanted these changes this time last year, even though we could have brought in another Price and continued our apathetical approach to becoming a properly successful club.

As disappointed as we all are, there’s no point demanding a change in coach or a return to our previous state of mediocrity during the first year of a revolution. Next year Powell has his team, and that bunch of players should be able to play with less pressure and more confidence and look like they’re building towards being a team that will compete at the very top. If they aren’t performing, I have absolutely no doubts that the club and Powell will go their separate ways. Until then I’ll have to be patient.

Spot on Easywire.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:32 pm  

Moe syslak wrote:

Well when you get your gcse results next week, if you post them on here I'll be happy to bow down to your superior intelligence.

I received mine in 1993: 6 As and 3 Bs where A was the highest achievable grade. It would have been 8 As and 1 B if I could have been bothered to complete all of my science coursework.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:35 pm  

DallasMead2 wrote:

Good afternoon happy clapper Gaz must be 22 minutes since you last posted, has the site been down?

How unbelievably witty, where do draw your inspiration from?

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:51 pm  

Gazwire wrote:

My take on this/hoping is that we're struggling because of the huge turn around in playing staff at the same time as the integration of young players. I've been impressed with Smith at Leeds, he seems to have made big improvements, but he hasn't had to contend with all the changes that Powell has.

I'm obviously backing Powell, but I get why many others aren't. Imo, whichever coach you bring in, given all the changes, they need to be given a reasonable amount of time to prove themselves. Sacking a coach part way through a season where there have been constant changes isn't prudent.

There are many examples of coaches in different sports whereby poor form may have resulted in early departures. Huddersfield were poor last year and they kept faith.

Wow.

Leeds have either shipped out or announced the shipping out of Luke Gale, Brad Dwyer, Bodene Thompson, Jack Walker, Jack Broadbent, Alex Sutcliffe, Liam Sutcliffe, Muizz Moustapha, Alex Mellor... that's off the top of my head.
And Smith's appointment - involving a relocation around the world at very short notice - followed the sacking of Agar and a stint with JJB at the helm. To suggest he hasn't had to deal with changes in the way Powell has seems not quite right...

Fwiw I'm glad we didn't choose to stick with Agar.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:18 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

Wow.

Leeds have either shipped out or announced the shipping out of Luke Gale, Brad Dwyer, Bodene Thompson, Jack Walker, Jack Broadbent, Alex Sutcliffe, Liam Sutcliffe, Alex Mellor... that's off the top of my head.
And Smith's appointment - involving a relocation around the world at very short notice - followed the sacking of Agar and a stint with JJB at the helm. To suggest he hasn't had to deal with changes in the way Powell has seems not quite right...

Fwiw I'm glad we didn't choose to stick with Agar.

Fair point, there are a lot of changes - I hadn't realised there were so many. The problem Powell has faced though, is that we have a whole new set of backs apart from Williams who only arrived mid way last year and Ashton (who's still learning). Our forward pack are lightweight with new additions too - only Mulhearn, Clark, Walker and Currie are regulars from the previous season.

If you compare the two squads put out last night:

Leeds Rhinos
16Myler
29Tindall
33Hardaker
4Sutcliffe
5Handley
6Austin
7Sezer
11Bentley
12Martin
21Gannon
13Tetevano
24O'Connor
8Oledzki
Substitutes
17Smith
10Prior
14Dwyer
22Walters

And:

36Dufty
21Minikin
3Mata'utia
34Wardle
5Ashton
7Williams
27Dean
19Mulhern
16Walker
15Bullock
11Currie
20Harrison
12Holmes
Substitutes
9Clark
14Clark
37Holroyd
38Thomas

Please tell me if I'm wrong here, but most of your forwards seem quite familiar from last season and a good few from seasons before. Myler, Sutcliffe, Handley and Sezer have been at your club for at least 2 seasons - again, please tell me if I'm incorrect.

Therefore, on that basis, I'd still say, to my knowledge, that Powell has had more change to deal with. At the same time though, fair play to Smith as he's had to deal with changes too.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:36 pm  

Gazwire wrote:

Fair point, there are a lot of changes - I hadn't realised there were so many. The problem Powell has faced though, is that we have a whole new set of backs apart from Williams who only arrived mid way last year and Ashton (who's still learning). Our forward pack are lightweight with new additions too - only Mulhearn, Clark and Currie are regulars from the previous season.

If you compare the two squads put out last night:

Leeds Rhinos
16Myler
29Tindall
33Hardaker
4Sutcliffe
5Handley
6Austin
7Sezer
11Bentley
12Martin
21Gannon
13Tetevano
24O'Connor
8Oledzki
Substitutes
17Smith
10Prior
14Dwyer
22Walters

And:

36Dufty
21Minikin
3Mata'utia
34Wardle
5Ashton
7Williams
27Dean
19Mulhern
16Walker
15Bullock
11Currie
20Harrison
12Holmes
Substitutes
9Clark
14Clark
37Holroyd
38Thomas

Please tell me if I'm wrong here, but most of your forwards seem quite familiar from last season and a good few from seasons before. Myler, Sutcliffe, Handley and Sezer have been at your club for at least 2 seasons - again, please tell me if I'm incorrect.

Therefore, on that basis, I'd still say, to my knowledge, that Powell has had more change to deal with. At the same time though, fair play to Smith as he's had to deal with changes too.

If we're talking regular forwards who've played 2 seasons or more, I'd say Martin, Prior, Oledzki, Dwyer and Smith fit the bill. Tetevano too, if you ignore the significant number of games he's been banned for. The rest are newbies or youngsters. Though worth bearing in mind that the Leeds side last night was one of the strongest Smith's been able to go with since he started.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:45 pm  

Of the Leeds towards who played last night:

Martin: 2019
Gannon: 2021
Tetavano: 2021
Oledski: 2017
Smith: 2016
Prior: 2020
Dwyer: 2018

These have been playing for Leeds this season and the season before at the very least.

Out of the Warrington forwards, only Mulhearn, Clark, Clark, Currie and Walker have the equivalent experience.


Backs-wise, only Ashton (inexperienced) and Williams were playing in the first team on a consistent basis last year, and he only joined mid way. Every other player is new to the team this season. On the other hand, out of Leeds' backs: Myler, Handley and Sutcliffe have been regulars (I was wrong on Sezer, he was new this year). Also worth noting, that our only experienced regular, Williams, arrived around the same time as Blake Austin switched to Leeds.

I'll let you be the judge, but the stats say Powell has had to contend with more upturn.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:53 pm  

Moe syslak wrote:

So it takes all coaches a pre season, a full season, another pre season and then some 'bedding in' time before we can see some attacking rugby? Brilliant! I wish someone would've explained all this to Paul Rowley.

Would you have been happy if we had signed Rowley at the time (not with hindsight)? I certainly wouldn’t have been and if the choice was between him and Powell I would have gone for Powell without a second thought.
In fact I don’t remember anyone suggesting Rowley as an option but I stand to be corrected.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:58 pm  

I am finding the constant attacks on Gazwire rather dispiriting. He is entitled to his opinion and gives his reasons for his views,as far as I know he isn’t ACTUALLY D Powell so perhaps now is the time to ease off on the personal stuff.