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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:25 pm  
Maybe have a quick peek at Oliver Holmes’ social media account and see if you’d prefer Longstaff to Holmes. One is a player, one is playing at it.
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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:12 pm  
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Gazwire mate he’s better than Holmes now never mind in the future when Ellis develops, longstaff to stay hull can have Holmes.


I haven't seen enough of him, but I take your word for it. Others have said he's been good since he left too. Holmes seems to be a shadow of himself.
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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:58 pm  
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I haven't seen enough of him, but I take your word for it. Others have said he's been good since he left too. Holmes seems to be a shadow of himself.

Holmes has been quite frankly the worst signing I have seen in 40 years of watching wire. And don't come back saying latu because he is worse!! The fact that we are going to lose longstaff so one of powells mates keeps his place and big pay packet makes me extremely angry!!!
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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:13 pm  
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Holmes has been quite frankly the worst signing I have seen in 40 years of watching wire. And don't come back saying latu because he is worse!! The fact that we are going to lose longstaff so one of powells mates keeps his place and big pay packet makes me extremely angry!!!


It's not great tbh, I agree. Asotasi must be up there and that Aussie halfback (forgotten his name) who went back earlier probs 5 years ago. Holmes is poor and that attempted tackle on French was diabolical. I too would swap him with Longstaff in a heartbeat.
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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:37 am  
In Holmes’ defence, picked out of position, made 63 tackles. Yes, missed a couple of crucial tackles, but you could argue he was out on his feet long before the first Wigan try and should have been subbed off.

He’s not a good player, horribly out of form and confidence. But that can only be exasperated by being picked one week, dropped to the bench the next and then thrown in out of position after that.

Amor was the safer bet for Wigan away, but no sign of him. Is he injured or on the naughty step?
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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:53 am  
Naughty step defo!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:35 am  
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In Holmes’ defence, picked out of position, made 63 tackles. Yes, missed a couple of crucial tackles, but you could argue he was out on his feet long before the first Wigan try and should have been subbed off.

He’s not a good player, horribly out of form and confidence. But that can only be exasperated by being picked one week, dropped to the bench the next and then thrown in out of position after that.

Amor was the safer bet for Wigan away, but no sign of him. Is he injured or on the naughty step?


Good post this.
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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:15 am  
We took Longstaff from the Wigan Academy back in 2018 and he has always been something of an eye catcher. If there is a break on then you will invariably find him on the shoulder of the ball carrier, if there is a kick through or a loose ball in the opposition in goal area then he will be a yard or two away. He has got both the speed and eye for the game to constantly put himself in a try scoring position. And he does score a lot of tries. But you don't see him making too many crunching tackles and if you get through a lot of the 'dirty work' you don't have the stamina to support breaks and follow up kick throughs. If you pair him with Currie in the BR then you have two fairly similar types of players because I have always thought of Currie to be half back, half forward. For me, that simply wouldn't work, Currie needs a quality work horse to get stuck into the opposition both with and without the ball.

It might not be too popular to say on here, but I think farming Longstaff out to Hull was a good move. He is assured regular first team games and has the opportunity to develop the other aspects of his game such as making the hard yards with the ball and his defence. He needs to be a more rounded player in order to cement a place in most SL sides ( I nearly said in a top four side haha).
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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:45 am  
Winslade's Offload wrote:
We took Longstaff from the Wigan Academy back in 2018 and he has always been something of an eye catcher. If there is a break on then you will invariably find him on the shoulder of the ball carrier, if there is a kick through or a loose ball in the opposition in goal area then he will be a yard or two away. He has got both the speed and eye for the game to constantly put himself in a try scoring position. And he does score a lot of tries. But you don't see him making too many crunching tackles and if you get through a lot of the 'dirty work' you don't have the stamina to support breaks and follow up kick throughs. If you pair him with Currie in the BR then you have two fairly similar types of players because I have always thought of Currie to be half back, half forward. For me, that simply wouldn't work, Currie needs a quality work horse to get stuck into the opposition both with and without the ball.

It might not be too popular to say on here, but I think farming Longstaff out to Hull was a good move. He is assured regular first team games and has the opportunity to develop the other aspects of his game such as making the hard yards with the ball and his defence. He needs to be a more rounded player in order to cement a place in most SL sides ( I nearly said in a top four side haha).


Completely logical and informed opinion here. However, this doesn’t appear to be the logic of the coach. Nicholson has been brought in and player although his defence isn’t particularly strong, including critical miss on our try line this week. That’s akin to the Longstaff miss away at Hull which saw him exiled.
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Re: Ellis Longstaff : Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:50 am  
Winslade's Offload wrote:
We took Longstaff from the Wigan Academy back in 2018 and he has always been something of an eye catcher. If there is a break on then you will invariably find him on the shoulder of the ball carrier, if there is a kick through or a loose ball in the opposition in goal area then he will be a yard or two away. He has got both the speed and eye for the game to constantly put himself in a try scoring position. And he does score a lot of tries. But you don't see him making too many crunching tackles and if you get through a lot of the 'dirty work' you don't have the stamina to support breaks and follow up kick throughs. If you pair him with Currie in the BR then you have two fairly similar types of players because I have always thought of Currie to be half back, half forward. For me, that simply wouldn't work, Currie needs a quality work horse to get stuck into the opposition both with and without the ball.

It might not be too popular to say on here, but I think farming Longstaff out to Hull was a good move. He is assured regular first team games and has the opportunity to develop the other aspects of his game such as making the hard yards with the ball and his defence. He needs to be a more rounded player in order to cement a place in most SL sides ( I nearly said in a top four side haha).

Easy solution, don't pair him with currie! Currie should no longer be in our first team based on what he's dished up this season.
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