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Re: Todays match v Salford Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:18 pm  
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I'm still supporting the "wait and see" line but I am perplexed as to why we are not seeing any green shoots of recovery at all and why some players are seemingly undroppable.
Re: Todays match v Salford Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:06 pm  
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I think there is a real danger that Powell could alienate the whole squad including the players who are signed up for next season. Nobody seems to be playing for him, team selections are baffling, ratchford has been great for us but never really as an organising halfback. A centre in the halves instead of an academy graduate whose future hinges on getting enough game time to develop. More alarm bells every week


I still back Powell but if the players who are staying don't then his position is surelt untenable. He needs to shake up the coaching staff, we need a new defence coach and atta k coach because at the minute both are pretty much hopeless.
Re: Todays match v Salford Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:32 am  
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How long before Toulouse start to play teams who will be safe from relegation and not in contention for play off places, once this starts we will be in a whole heap of trouble if we haven't already recovered sufficiently.

This debate is a good read, on Powell he is not for me, coaching a poor resourced group is clearly his thing, an over resourced group is not and they are showing their distain. He hasn't won anything other than the hub cap, which to some is clearly priceless and others far less meaningful. Right now losing to inferior opposition in the 1st round of the playoff is something we can only dream about.
Re: Todays match v Salford Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:19 am  
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The bad apple theory doesn't explain the performances of Holmes, who is fully conversant with the Powell methodology and has still stunk the place out.

You'd think he'd be busting a gut to try and prove his old mentor right bur he ain't.

I rather think the influx of the Powell crew, players and coaches, and their attitude has put noses out of joint; whether thats the fault of the people who were here or the people coming in is debatable.

However, I repeat - plenty of the players who aren't reasponding to Powell's approach will be here next year.
Re: Todays match v Salford Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:15 am  
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The bad apple theory doesn't explain the performances of Holmes, who is fully conversant with the Powell methodology and has still stunk the place out.

You'd think he'd be busting a gut to try and prove his old mentor right bur he ain't.


I was pretty happy when we signed Holmes, as his form at Cas had been impressive and he looked a real attacking threat there. I was prepared to cut him some slack at first this season - new team-mates, settling in, etc etc. However, the fact is that we are now five months into the season and the kindest thing you can say about him is that he has been anonymous. If you wanted to be unkind, you could say much worse.
Re: Todays match v Salford Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:31 am  
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How long before Toulouse start to play teams who will be safe from relegation and not in contention for play off places, once this starts we will be in a whole heap of trouble if we haven't already recovered sufficiently.

This debate is a good read, on Powell he is not for me, coaching a poor resourced group is clearly his thing, an over resourced group is not and they are showing their distain. He hasn't won anything other than the hub cap, which to some is clearly priceless and others far less meaningful. Right now losing to inferior opposition in the 1st round of the playoff is something we can only dream about.


Toulouse have Wigan, Catalan and Saints in the last 4 weeks of the year. Let’s face it, they’re already nailed on for top 4 already, so by that point they could have the cue on the rack and be play off prepping. I’d hate for our fate to be in the hands of Saints putting a team out on the last game of the regular season.
Re: Todays match v Salford Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:40 am  
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Toulouse have Wigan, Catalan and Saints in the last 4 weeks of the year. Let’s face it, they’re already nailed on for top 4 already, so by that point they could have the cue on the rack and be play off prepping. I’d hate for our fate to be in the hands of Saints putting a team out on the last game of the regular season.


That is the worst news possible given the status quo
Re: Todays match v Salford Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:26 am  
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Toulouse have Wigan, Catalan and Saints in the last 4 weeks of the year. Let’s face it, they’re already nailed on for top 4 already, so by that point they could have the cue on the rack and be play off prepping. I’d hate for our fate to be in the hands of Saints putting a team out on the last game of the regular season.


Can`t make my mind up, if it would be better for us if Wakefield beat Toulouse this weekend, or not, even though it means Wakefield will be then be on the same league points as us?.

I agree that Toulouse will pickup some expected wins in France towards the end of the season when teams send weakened teams over there for games that don`t matter to the away teams
Re: Todays match v Salford Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:25 pm  
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I'm still supporting the "wait and see" line but I am perplexed as to why we are not seeing any green shoots of recovery at all and why some players are seemingly undroppable.


This is where I am. I want Powell to succeed and I'm glad there's been an overhaul of our squad but I'm still waiting to see a decent move with dummy runners etc. We've also used 7 halfback pairings. Can we not stick with Williams and Dean if fit for the rest of the season or if Dean isn't flavour of the month then have Williams and Widdop with Thewlis at fullback. At least have some consistency.

Here's a question - if Ashton is fit for this weekend does Minikin make way? Logic, form, strike capacity and common sense says yes but.........
Re: Todays match v Salford Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:38 pm  
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This is where I am. I want Powell to succeed and I'm glad there's been an overhaul of our squad but I'm still waiting to see a decent move with dummy runners etc. We've also used 7 halfback pairings. Can we not stick with Williams and Dean if fit for the rest of the season or if Dean isn't flavour of the month then have Williams and Widdop with Thewlis at fullback. At least have some consistency.

Here's a question - if Ashton is fit for this weekend does Minikin make way? Logic, form, strike capacity and common sense says yes but.........



minikin should be dropped purely for not going for that bomb
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