Re: Matty Nicholson CONFIRMED: three and half year deal : Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:37 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

What always makes me laugh about the debate about young players on here is that it is the same every year.

You could go back 20 years and hear about how Steve Anderson was doing great things behind the scenes with our youth system and how DVDV had set up the scholarship with William Beamont and how it would bear fruit over the next few years.

There's always some story about how England Academy has more Warrington players than Wigan or Saints or whatever and what a great generation we have got coming through.

Then no superstars come through and we get told that actually those players had the talent, it was just that they didn't get their chance in the first team. And yet we've had lots of rank average home grown players come through and play 50 odd first team games before being moved on and spending the rest of their careers at lower SL teams or lower leagues. And none of the supposed top talents who weren't getting a chance with us ever seem to get picked up by other SL clubs and given a chance there.

The explanation is invariably "poor coaching" where these players were 'ruined' by Cullen / TS / Price. Well Powell seemed to do OK in terms of developing players in the first team at Leeds over 2001 to 2003 so that argument is going to be harder to use going forwards.

Boo, give over. We are going places

Re: Matty Nicholson CONFIRMED: three and half year deal : Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:48 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

What always makes me laugh about the debate about young players on here is that it is the same every year.

You could go back 20 years and hear about how Steve Anderson was doing great things behind the scenes with our youth system and how DVDV had set up the scholarship with William Beamont and how it would bear fruit over the next few years.

There's always some story about how England Academy has more Warrington players than Wigan or Saints or whatever and what a great generation we have got coming through.

Then no superstars come through and we get told that actually those players had the talent, it was just that they didn't get their chance in the first team. And yet we've had lots of rank average home grown players come through and play 50 odd first team games before being moved on and spending the rest of their careers at lower SL teams or lower leagues. And none of the supposed top talents who weren't getting a chance with us ever seem to get picked up by other SL clubs and given a chance there.

The explanation is invariably "poor coaching" where these players were 'ruined' by Cullen / TS / Price. Well Powell seemed to do OK in terms of developing players in the first team at Leeds over 2001 to 2003 so that argument is going to be harder to use going forwards.

Has Saddened hacked into your RL Fans account?

Change your password immediately.

Re: Matty Nicholson CONFIRMED: three and half year deal : Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:02 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

wasn't really a question, i saw it more as soliloquy

I think it was rhetorical, but a question none the less. (not that I’m questioning any moderator’s decision Obviously.

Re: Matty Nicholson CONFIRMED: three and half year deal : Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:13 pm  

What incredibly disappointing news to read. He is a future star make no mistake about it. Fair play to Wire for snatching him, he isn't like the usual dross we send packing to Warrington with a smirk. He genuinely has the world at his feet. Hope he fails now though, naturally.

Re: Matty Nicholson CONFIRMED: three and half year deal : Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:35 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

What always makes me laugh about the debate about young players on here is that it is the same every year.

You could go back 20 years and hear about how Steve Anderson was doing great things behind the scenes with our youth system and how DVDV had set up the scholarship with William Beamont and how it would bear fruit over the next few years.

There's always some story about how England Academy has more Warrington players than Wigan or Saints or whatever and what a great generation we have got coming through.

Then no superstars come through and we get told that actually those players had the talent, it was just that they didn't get their chance in the first team. And yet we've had lots of rank average home grown players come through and play 50 odd first team games before being moved on and spending the rest of their careers at lower SL teams or lower leagues. And none of the supposed top talents who weren't getting a chance with us ever seem to get picked up by other SL clubs and given a chance there.

The explanation is invariably "poor coaching" where these players were 'ruined' by Cullen / TS / Price. Well Powell seemed to do OK in terms of developing players in the first team at Leeds over 2001 to 2003 so that argument is going to be harder to use going forwards.

Not so sure things will be the same going forward though. As the old saying goes: ‘Don't expect different results by doing the same thing over and over again’… I think we’re under no illusions that we are NOT doing the same thing this time around. That doesn’t mean there’s proof it’s going to pay dividends, but it’s certainly not the same set of ingredients as in the previous two decades.

Re: Matty Nicholson : Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:56 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

When you’re behind a beaten pack you fail at almost every level through fatigue.
Can you honestly point out a single player in our team that had played better than any time of their career this season? Even Wrench and Thewlis have been way off the stand out mom performances of last season.

Not from what I've seen.

Re: Matty Nicholson CONFIRMED: three and half year deal : Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:24 pm  

Uncle Rico wrote:

I thought I'd spotted Gyles Brandreth in the South Stand, apparently it wasn't a look a like

May I offer some well merited contrafibularities on your post.

Re: Matty Nicholson CONFIRMED: three and half year deal : Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:39 pm  

MorePlaymakersNeeded wrote:

May I offer some well merited contrafibularities on your post.

Now now Blackadder.

Re: Matty Nicholson CONFIRMED: three and half year deal : Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:24 pm  

SAUSAGE????

Re: Matty Nicholson CONFIRMED: three and half year deal : Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:02 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

SAUSAGE????

A magnificent octopus of a reply