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Re: Powell OUT Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:11 pm  
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If Powell was so bad then how come he took over a Cas team from Millward when they were bottom of the league and took them to the top despite keeping losing his best players. First half season kept them up then lost his best player (Rangi Chase). First full season got them to a Challenge Cup Final then lost his best player and Man of Steel (Daryl Clark). Years 2 and 3 he lost his best 2 try scoring threats (Justin Carney, Denny Solomona). Year 4 had them top of the league playing champagne rugby and lost the Grand Final after Hardaker let the side down.


And he has won nothing of note.
Re: Powell OUT Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:14 pm  
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And an old one, Powell obviously has one eye on the future. The guy is clueless why would anyone let their best prop leave mid-season? Is he looking for a pay off?


Coops liked designing his undies more than a full training session, (apparently).
Re: Powell OUT Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:28 pm  
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And he has won nothing of note.


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Re: Powell OUT Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:08 pm  
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One thing I’ve never liked about Powell is his buck passing. Always has, always will be an excuse merchant. I seem to remember regular comments on here when he was in charge of Castleford regarding him playing the blame game after every loss during his interviews on Sky. Whether it be injuries, the pitch or the referee, someone else was always to blame for his or his teams failings.

I guess I’d have a little more time for him and more patience in his project, if he perhaps came out and admitted that he and his staff have perhaps got it wrong at times and there’s things they need to work harder on as well as the players. I think some culpability or humility would go a long way with us fans and perhaps the playing group also.

Instead, we’ve had players, experienced and young, thrown under the bus, culture issues within the club well broadcast and even the fans, bearing the brunt of his frustrations at his and the teams failings throughout the season.

Let’s face it, whether you’re Powell in, or Powell out - he’s got things wrong and the players can take all the blame they like, but to take a team, who were regular finishers in the top three or four, into a relegation scrap within twelve months, simply isn’t good enough.

Some managers and coaches are made for a club and made for a certain role. The players, regardless of what’s gone before, need to be willing to run through a brick wall for him and for some reason, too many of them are falling short in that department and that includes many of the players he’s brought into the club in order to allegedly help ‘change the culture.’

For me, he’s just not right for us and he’s nothing more than what Roy Hodgson was when he come to Liverpool - the wrong man, at the wrong time, at the wrong club. Great success at a lesser club such as Fulham, with lesser expectations and working on a shoe string, but just not up to the task at a bigger club which has higher expectations.

Regardless though, win or lose on Thursday, he’ll still be here come the start of next season, I’m certain of it.
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Re: Powell OUT Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:59 pm  
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Let’s face it, whether you’re Powell in, or Powell out - he’s got things wrong and the players can take all the blame they like, but to take a team, who were regular finishers in the top three or four, into a relegation scrap within twelve months, simply isn’t good enough.


No. Sadly the clappy super wire Wembley wolfs won’t hear a word against him. They won’t admit he’s the wrong person to lead this club forward, and are happy to accept mediocrity even if it relegates us.

Only consolation is, they’ll be paying admission and clapping all the way to League One.

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Regardless though, win or lose on Thursday, he’ll still be here come the start of next season, I’m certain of it.


Lose on Thursday, and I guarantee we’ll have issues a statement by Friday morning along the lines of “Powell and Sheridan have left the club with mutual consent,” or some other bullshit, leaving someone else (likely Richard Marshall) to clean up the mess and be the man at the helm where we do get relegated.
Re: Powell OUT Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:04 am  
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Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:04 am  

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It's certainly not perfect and there are some decisions that have been made that have made me question him.

But with so many ins and outs, and new players, and odd injuries here and there, imo, it takes at least a season to work out what works best with so many things to configure.

With new players coming in and others leaving; new performance based relationships are being formed/changing week by week for example: Matty Nicholson might be developing a strong synergy with Williams which wasn't present 3 weeks ago. Holmes' preferred position may not be working because at Cas, other players complimented his style better. If you expand these connotations across the full squad, with so many new players, it takes imo at least a season to have a reasonably clear picture of how best to use the players to fit your ideology.

On Sky today, they were talking about Utd's need for a rebuild under their new coach, and they were talking 2/3 years.

As I say, I'm no better judge than anyone else on whether Powell will be successful, but with everything going on, it's hard to fully know because there are so many variables.

One thing I will say is that the effort, at least, seems to be there now. If there was still no effort, then I'd find it very difficult to back him at this stage.


The long and short of it is, we can’t defend. The players have been in for 5 weeks now (since Nicholson arrived) and we have conceded 30 4 times in a row. There is no improvement on this front, if anything we have regressed from the start of the season, don’t think we conceded 30 until Wakefield in round 5 or 6. We were plagued with bad apples and fashion designers then too.
Re: Powell OUT Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:18 am  
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The long and short of it is, we can’t defend. The players have been in for 5 weeks now (since Nicholson arrived) and we have conceded 30 4 times in a row. There is no improvement on this front, if anything we have regressed from the start of the season, don’t think we conceded 30 until Wakefield in round 5 or 6. We were plagued with bad apples and fashion designers then too.


Defence is not up to scratch, but at the same time, a number of those defensive errors at Wigan were individual, from younger players. If we're going to play younger players and bed them in, we have to forgive some mistakes.
Re: Powell OUT Mon Aug 08, 2022 7:33 am  
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Defence is not up to scratch, but at the same time, a number of those defensive errors at Wigan were individual, from younger players. If we're going to play younger players and bed them in, we have to forgive some mistakes.


Not necessarily. The first try, Field went straight between Bullock and Holmes in the build up which saw French brush off Holmes again. The last, it’s Williams that missed Field. That’s just off the top of my head.

But this is another excuse, so what is it? Are the players too young, not interested, bad apples, needing time to gel or is this buck passing mixology? I’m on record for saying that we should have picked the younger players when the season was dead (I said this 10 weeks ago, assuming that we wouldn’t be in a relegation battle, granted), but since then the youngsters have been dropped routinely. Thewlis, Wrench, Dean and Nicholson have all been in and out, in addition to Longstaff. So if we’re having the ‘nurturing and developing’ mitigation, stop dropping them and picking them out in press conferences.

It’s just contradictory again, the excuses offered up simply don’t add up.
Re: Powell OUT Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:10 am  
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So you don't think inexperience had anything to do with Nicholson not clamping the ball properly in a 3 man tackle, allowing kai Paul to release for a try.

What about those two full back errors from Thewlis. Do you not think inexperience had anything to do with those? If not, should we be playing a fullback which who appears to be that vulnerable?

These all occurred during the first part of the second half onwards and they killed us.

If younger players are to be played, mistakes have to be factored in.
Re: Powell OUT Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:19 am  
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Gazwire wrote:
So you don't think inexperience had anything to do with Nicholson not clamping the ball properly in a 3 man tackle, allowing kai Paul to release for a try.

What about those two full back errors from Thewlis. Do you not think inexperience had anything to do with those? If not, should we be playing a fullback which who appears to be that vulnerable?

These all occurred during the first part of the second half onwards and they killed us.

If younger players are to be played, mistakes have to be factored in.


And if we’re to accept those mistakes, so is the coach. Naming Dean twice, then “taking Thewlis out of the firing line”, dropping Nicholson after the Cas game, picking Minikin over Wrench… these are all inconsistent with the argument that you’re making.
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